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Obama Changes Position on the Surge - Latest Flip Flop

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    McCain's only hope is to make the election about the so called "success" of the surge. Unfortunately for him America's foreign policy is a lot more than one aspect of a failed war.
     
  2. leroy

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    Close the deal? In July before the conventions have even happened? When has any presidential campaign been so lopsided that it was over before the party conventions?
     
  3. Rashmon

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    Wow, that's a lot of exclamation points. You must be making a really serious point.

    I get the feeling you don't support Obama.

    Yet you were always such a devoted Democrat.

    I mean, you went to the caucuses and everything.

    Are you really Joe Lieberman?
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    com on, no seinfeld reference
     
  5. Rashmon

    Rashmon Member

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    Mechanic: We fixed your car.

    Owner: My car didn’t need fixing, it was running OK. I just needed a new car.

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    Owner: You didn’t fix it?

    Mechanic: Well, we brought in a bunch more mechanics and now it is running better.

    Owner: Does it run better than before you started working on it?

    Mechanic: Well, you don’t need a new car any more but this one needs more work.

    Owner: You know my other car was the one that really needed to be fixed.

    Mechanic: These extra mechanics are doing a great job. You should be happy we fixed it for you.

    Owner: How long will this take?

    Mechanic: Well, it’s difficult to say. We got a lot of parts that need to be replaced. But it's running better now.

    Owner: But it didn’t need fixing.

    Mechanic: Gee, you’re so ungrateful.

    Obama: Maybe it’s time for a new mechanic.
     
  6. kokopuffs

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    more like

    You: Oh hi, I need my car fixed.

    Mechanic: $200 plz

    You: OK *gives money*

    *Big businessman rolls up in stretch limo*

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    Mechanic: Oh yeah, hey Dick. Remember that time I fixed your car for free?

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    Mechanic: well here's another $200 *gives money*

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    Mechanic: Please fill out forms 3145-A and schedule 22-D. Bye.

    You: buh....
     
  7. white lightning

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    here's a convenient link to all of McCains flip-flops to get elected. you can attack the source if you want, but follow the links, all statements are documented.

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9541.html

    ‘We will win this conflict. We will win it easily’
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    MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, reading a Think Progress post nearly word for word last night, reminded me that it’s time to update the list of John McCain’s flip-flops. From last night’s Countdown:

    The winner [of the daily Worst Person in the World] is Sen. John McCain (R) of Arizona, [who] told us today that he knew that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough,” and that he was “sorry” for anybody who voted it thinking it would be “some kind of an easy task.”

    Sen. McCain on CNN on Sept. 24, 2002: “I believe that the success will be fairly easy.”

    Sen. McCain on CNN on Sept. 29, 2002: “We’re not going to have a bloodletting of trading American bodies for Iraqi bodies.”

    Sen. McCain on this network on Jan. 22, 2003: “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.”

    What’s that’s called again? Flip-flopping? Senator, we keep all the tapes of these interviews. C’mon!

    Of course, you know what this means — it’s time to update the list of McCain’s biggest flip-flops as he transforms himself from maverick hero to right-wing hack. We’re up to 13 now.

    * McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of [tag]Roe v. Wade[/tag] to saying the exact opposite.

    * McCain criticized TV preacher [tag]Jerry Falwell[/tag] as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

    * McCain used to oppose Bush’s [tag]tax cuts[/tag] for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

    * In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

    * McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

    * McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

    * McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

    * McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, [tag]campaign-finance reform[/tag], and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

    * McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

    * McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

    * McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

    * McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry [tag]Kissinger[/tag], believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

    And now McCain has gone from insisting that the war in Iraq would be easy to insisting that he’s always said the war in Iraq would be hard. And yet, you’ll still find most of the political establishment arguing that McCain’s strength as a candidate is his credibility.
     

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