Obama Changes Position on the Surge - Latest Flip Flop

Obama has been talking since the beginning of his candidacy about focusing on Afghanistan. McCain just started after the recent set backs there have gotten more media attention. Obama has been a leader and McCain has been a follower. There has been a real clear distinction in the two candidates on this.

 

Obama hasn't refused to meet with anyone.

However, that is once again you not sticking to the point made. The point made was that Obama has long talked about Afghanistan and showed leadership. He was right all along. Just like he was right on Pakistan before, while you and bigtexxy were shivering in your slippers afraid to upset our supposed ally.

Events on the ground showed that Obama was right then, just as it showed that Obama is right now. Of course McCain was late to come around on the issue just as now.

 

Agreed

Obama's speech today touched on this point several times.

McCain seems to think we can defeat Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan if we just continue pouring money and lives into Iraq. Now he seems to have changed his mind

 

He explicitly praised the troops' effort in creating an improved security situation. Do you not even read the articles you post?

 

I missed this...

Jorge a drug addict like Rush should be laughed at and scorned. See the difference is that the stories at HuffPo are backed up by fact and referenced. They aren't the nonsensical ranting opinions of a pedophile.

 

BTW Jorge, when the next president deems it necessary to speak to "the generals" here's a bit of what the conversation will be about.

via TPM --

But in the interview, Obama goes into a bit more detail than I've seen before about what he wants to discuss with the commanders -- in particular, how to handle the logistics of leaving a residual force behind. Asked what he means by "residual force," Obama said...

 

The point made was that Obama has long talked about Afghanistan and showed leadership. He was right all along. Just like he was right on Pakistan before,

It detaches him from any accountability for Iraq if things go all civil war once we aren't brokering the local strongmen. Bush will take all the weight for any failures.

I think they understand now that to turn on the money machine they need to call a truce among families . Maliki handing out money in the streets is straight up Al Capone

 

oh my...

Obama forces the Bush administration to flip flop on Iran.

U.S. diplomat will talk nukes with Iran

In a break with past Bush administration policy, a top U.S. diplomat will for the first time join colleagues from other world powers at a meeting with Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, The Associated Press has learned.

William Burns, America's third highest-ranking diplomat, will attend talks with the Iranian envoy, Saeed Jalili, in Switzerland on Saturday aimed at persuading Iran to halt activities that could lead to the development of atomic weapons, a senior U.S. official told the AP on Tuesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/07/15/iran.nuclear.talks.ap/index.html

 

What a day!

Obama gives a very detailed and nuanced speech on Iraq and national security and what happens?

McCain agrees that the real war on terror is in Afghanistan

The Bush administration announces talks with people we don't speak to!

 

Obama gives a detailed flip flop speech and we still don't know who the REAL Obama is. Is this the same one that was speaking to the Primary voters? Or is this the one talking to the Neocons now!

What really surprises me is that Obama has the warchest, the charisma, the political grass-roots machine behind him, yet he can't close the deal on McCain! WOW!

Obama's rhetoric doesn't match his policies! That's why we are seeing his own website Purging details! Nobody knows what this guy stands for!

 

You give Obama WAY too much credit!

 

Tremendous error by McCain to shift his position on Afghanistan the same day as Obama's speech.

 

Yet who got the headlines of being the Flip Flopper? Obama that's who! People aren't scrutinizing McCain as much as Obama right now. I think more people care more about Obama's actions than McCain. Everyone know's McCain is a flip flopper! However, Obama was supposed to be above all politics! He was supposed to be a different kind of politician!

 

omg, you've convinced me to not vote for Obama!!

People aren't scrutinizing McCain as much, because he's a flipping joke along with the party he represents.

 

Yet he's making this election close! McCain shouldn't even be in this race! Obama is blowing it!

 

I don't think this is a flip-flop by Obama. He said the surge wouldn't bring political stability to Iraq and that hasn't been done. The surge has brought less military deaths and casualities, and so he clearly has to change the language of "the surge is not working" to be more explicit. But changing titles of paragraphs is hardly flip-flopping, especially when the content is exactly the same.

He has flip-flopped on the FISA bill however. So you guys could attack him as a flip-flopper there.

But really - these flip flop accusations get old, McCain has flip-floped a lot too. On so many critical issues.

They both are flip-floppers - and I think people kinda already know it. Flip-flopping isn't a big deal this election cycle - because i think people aren't really worried about that.

It's a mistaken republican strategy. It's clear Obama is more worried about being considered overly liberal than a flip flopper.

McCain has to be careful here - if all he is seen as attacking Obama as a flip-flopper than I don't think he has much of a chance. He can't make this election a referrendum on Obama - Obama will win that.

He has to make this about something much bigger.

 

So Obama makes a speech about what he's going to do in Iraq before he even visits the region for the first time, talks to troops, and listens to field commanders. This was a big mistake by Obama to make a speech before leaving for Iraq/Afghanistan. He is now going to comeback and won't be able to change his policies without pissing off his Left Liberal base. Let's see what happens when he comes back from the region. I bet you he Flip flops even more! This speech today is opening a big can of worms for his camp! BIG MISTAKE!

 

Why so bitter? Jorge you should show the next president more respect.




*snicker*