yeah, because his whole campaign started when he used that line. more genius logic from the hate train
We asked former Bill Clinton speechwriter David Kusnet if today's plagiarism accusations against Barack Obama were justified.
well these text boxes don't have a spell check and hard to have a lot of time to proof-read for typos. are you an english teacher by the way? anyway, i don't think he invaded pakistan or stopped all chinese toy imports...being an outsider and saying those things for effect are not necessarily gaffes but might be an effort to get press by being a bit bold. Anyway, didn't we just invade pakistan? experience is over-rated in my opinion (just look at george bush - his experience was of consistent failure...wait, you might have a point here). but seriously, not sure clinton's experience is really that much of an edge. a few more years in the white house? and many great presidents were never senators or congressmen as for his economic policy, again, no one expects him to be able to do all the things he wants, no president ever does get what they want. that's more a congressional issue than presidential. presidents don't legislate - they lead. they push things through. they help make it happen. this is a guy who can do that because he can get a mandate and work with both republicans and dems.
You are right, it is a legitimate difference, and what Obama did is far more troubling as a voter. Biden gave credit every time he used the speech, but forgot once. Obama never gave credit until he was called out. The only person who would care if Obama had permission is Patrick.
Except that Patrick says they shared ideas and basically formulated those ideas together. So it isn't as if Obama had nothing to do with creating them. It is more like he left the co-author out. If I'm a father and let my son borrow my car, then the police stop him and point out his name isn't on the registration, that doesn't mean he stole the car or even did anything wrong. I do think Obama should have referenced Patrick, but I honestly see very little of any substance to this.
He did reference him after the fact and in the other instance. Obama didn't reference him in the one portion that seems to have some folks upset.
This is much ado about nothing. Hillary is referencing some of Bill's speeches. I won't post the links, that's not the point. Hell Hillary's used Barack's own lines. This just stinks of Rovian tactics and I'm disappointed in her.
I've just skimmed this thread and while I don't think this is egregious I don't think something like this should just be brushed off. The strength of Obama's campaign is his rhetoric and in this particular speech he was particularly talking about the power of rhetoric. The problem is that in this case his rhetoric isn't his own yet the impression he was conveying was that it was his own. Whether Patrick is fine with him doing so is a side note as the target of his rhetoric wasn't Patrick but the political audience he was trying to win over. I would compare this to Carlos Mencia borrowing another comedian's lines. Now whether that comedian cares that Carlos Mencia is using his material doesn't matter that much if Carlos is using that to get laughs out of an audience and then doesn't explain that it came from someone else until he's caught on it. While I I wouldn't go so far as calling it plagarism I would call it very sloppy on Obama's part.
I agree it was sloppy on Obama's part. But the difference between this and Mencia's stuff, is the fact that Patrick and Obama developed the rhetoric and ideas together. Patrick gave the speech first without crediting Obama for helping develop the rhetoric. That aside I think Obama should have credited Patrick when at the time he spoke those words. But it isn't that different of the videos showing Hillary "borrowing" Obama's words as her own.
I agree it is. I was just commenting on the technicalities. Obama shouldn't go after Hillary for "borrowing" his lines, and it's stupid to go after Obama for using lines he helped create with a person who doesn't feel stolen from at all.
Sloppy is giving him more credit though, because it was actually swarmy in my opinion. A little too swarmy and I agree about it not sitting well. It doesn't sit well with me. I'm certainly not sold on Obama over McCain. But I do think he's better than Hillary - who I find very much untrustworthy and slimy.
