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Obama Campaign: Romney Won Debate Because He Lied

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Oct 6, 2012.

  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    Even Fox in now calling Romney a liar about those "six studies" defending his tax plan.

    the exchange:



    GILLESPIE: Six different studies have said --

    WALLACE: Those are very questionable. Some of them are blogs. Some of them are from the AEI, which is hardly an independent group. Those are not --

    GILLESPIE: These are very credible sources, and, you know --

    WALLACE: One of them is from a guy who is -- a blog from a high who was a top advisor to George W. Bush. These are hardly nonpartisan studies.

    GILLESPIE: Look, Chris, this -- I think if you look at Harvard and AEI and other studies, are very credible sources for economic analysis.

    WALLACE: You wouldn't say that AEI is a conservative think tank.

    GILLESPIE: I would say it is a right-leaning think tank. That doesn't make it not credible.

    WALLACE: It doesn't make it nonpartisan.

    GILLESPIE: It does make it nonpartisan. It's not a partisan organization. I can tell you, there have been many instances where there are things that AEI has come out with and said, I didn't find to be necessarily --

    (CROSSTALK)

    GILLESPIE: -- with the Republican Party.

    WALLACE: Would you say the Brookings Institution is nonpartisan?

    GILLESPIE: I would say the Brookings Institution is left leaning and that they are nonpartisan.
     
  2. MojoMan

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    Of course nowhere in the passage that you quoted were these studies called out as being clearly wrong. And certainly there was no assertion by Wallace that Romney's statement of his own position is inaccurate, much less a lie.

    Nevertheless, Obama is the one who lying by blatantly mis-characterizing Governor Romney's position, which Romney explained several times for all the world to hear during the first debate.

    And as a reminder, here is the video of Obama's Deputy Campaign Manger Stephanie Cutter admitting that Obama campaign's assertion that Romney is proposing a tax cut costing $5 Trillion dollars on CNN is not true:

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GoEmGHJiqOc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  3. mc mark

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    That's right. Obama is making republicans call their own candidate out on his lies.
     
  4. MojoMan

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    You still have not posted any evidence that a Republican has called Romney out as a liar by effectively affirming Obama's fabricated assertion that Romney is proposing a $5 Trillion tax cut.

    If you fail to provide that, then let it be known to all that you are now making false and unsubstantiated accusations against Governor Romney on this point.
     
  5. mc mark

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  6. MojoMan

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    The Brookings Institute is a left-leaning think tank, as you know quite well. You asserted that Republicans were calling out Romney as a liar on this point, which as you also know very well is not true. Here was your statement:

    Either:
    1) back it up,
    2) retract the statement and apologize, or
    3) let it be know, yet again, that you are a relentlessly dishonest individual who bears false witness against others without hesitation or remorse, and who is therefore fundamentally lacking in both character and integrity.
     
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  7. mc mark

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    I have provided ample proof of Mr Romney's mendacity. You refuse to acknowledge it. I can not help you.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    He backed it up. Sadly you refuse to believe the Brookings institute is non-partisan

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution
     
  9. thadeus

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    Everything that doesn't agree with my beliefs must be partisan to the other side.
     
  10. MojoMan

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    The Brookings Institute is as non-partisan as the American Enterprise Institute is. Do you agree that both institutes are "non-partisan?" Or are you just a partisan hack?

    Regardless, mcmark's claim was that "Republicans" had called out Romney as a liar with regards to Romney's assertion that his own tax reform plan is what he says that it is and that Obama's fabricated charges to the contrary are the actual lies here. McMark's assertion was not related to any supposed "nonpartisan" affirmations of Obama partisan charges, as you know quite well.

    And here is McMark's assertion again, so as to minimize the possibility of you knowingly and intentionally misrepresenting it again:

     
  11. MojoMan

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    Clearly you are opting for option #3. I wish I could say I am surprised, but I am not, as you have a long history of this kind of disgraceful behavior here on this board.
     
  12. King1

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    Obama is worthless
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Thanks for your insightful input
     
  14. mc mark

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    MojoMan I have obviously touched a nerve of truth hence the personal attacks.

    Mr Romney's tax plan will not work and every rational analysis agrees it won't do what Romney (doesn't tell us) says it would.
     
  15. mc mark

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    Hey Mojo, was Romney lying then or now?

    Romney in 2004: Blaming President For Economy, Job Market Is "Poppycock."

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/pQs0IzLTQu4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  16. MojoMan

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    That was a fantastic speech by Romney. In it he said that the downturn in 2001 that was the result of the dot.com bubble bursting and later the economic stresses caused by 9/11 was not George Bush's fault. And of course it wasn't.

    In a similar manner, Romney has said that Obama was not the cause of the downturn that he inherited when he took office in 2009. In fact, watch the debate tonight, and you will likely hear Governor Romney will affirm that position again.

    But even though Obama inherited a big mess, he has not been a good steward over the economy since that time. And for that it is fair to hold Obama accountable, which I believe the American people will do in 21 days. Bush on the other hand was not running for re-election in 2008, and in 2004 the economy was in much better shape than it is now.

    So he treated both Obama and Bush pretty much the same way on this issue. Therefore, not only did he not lie in either case, he has been remarkably fair and consistent in his response to this topic.

    In fact, you would do well to tend to your own integrity issues before concerning yourself with those of Governor Romney, or anyone else for that matter.
     
  17. mc mark

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    Is anyone surprised that Mojo completely missed the point of the video? My advice to you Mojo is just go back to lurker mode. You just don't have the chops to hang in D&D.
     
  18. Raven

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    The more educated on the issues, the less likely you are to support Romney. Unless, that is, you're rich or want to control a woman's reproductive choice.
     
  19. across110thstreet

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    dude, basketball mind, you've posted this five times in five different threads.
     
  20. trueroxfan

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    Of course, because only the educated vote for your guy. This is the most ridiculous and non-sensible argument in a world full of ridiculous arguments. "You obviously aren't educated, or you would agree with me." That MUST be it! Because you are omniscience and therefore can not be wrong!
     

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