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Obama bugged Trump Tower before election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Mar 4, 2017.

  1. Amiga

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    You sound quite like Trump. Criticizing people for behavior that you exhibit openly.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    By all means let's have the investigation. I would love to be able know what evidence was placed before the independent Federal judge that he agreed to issue the warrant because there was probable cause of dangerous or illegal contact with the Russians. Please let's all see that information.

    This investigation might actually have us able to see Trump's tax returns.
     
  3. BleedRocketsRed

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    You aren't wrong. The DNC is highly corrupt and their actions throughout the primary was a disgrace and embarrassment. I honestly would not be shocked if there is truth to this, there just hasn't been any type of concrete evidence proving so at this point in time.

    In his particular case, I also urge you to provide some type of evidence.

    These are very serious allegations and right now, all we have is tweets by Trump (who in the past has proven to tweet a lot of random stuff, some of which proven untrue such as claiming he lost the popular vote because of illegals voting and setting up an investigation which found nothing of that sort). I guess we also have an "article" in breitbart which cites suspicious sources and has a long history for posting "articles" with no substance or truth behind it.
     
  4. durvasa

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    Here's an opinion from a writer at the National Review. More credible than Brietbart, and it probably captures the view of the more intellectually-sophisticated Trump supporters on this issue:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/445504/obama-camp-disingenuous-denials-fisa-surveillance-trump
     
  5. BleedRocketsRed

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    Thanks for that. I guess maybe there may be something here. Just read that article and continued digging around concerning their sources and there may be something here.

    So in a nutshell, here is what we know:
    a) The justice department did try to request the ability to tap Trump (and associates) for surveillance (due to investigations which led them to believe direct ties to Russia) which was rejected. (Unverified due to the classified nature of these types of documents but seems to be coming from multiple sources).

    b) The justice department again later tried to request the ability to tap Trump associates for surveillance (again due to intelligence finding potential ties between the administration and Russia) which was supposedly granted. (Also unverified due to the classified nature of these types of documents but seems to be coming from multiple sources).

    c) Multiple leaks have already come out linking Trump associates with Russian confidants. To be honest, Trump's outright refusal to release tax statements just adds fuel to this fire. None of the leaks have proven any national security issues concerning the dealings of Trump associates with Russia (we just know that there has been contact).

    d) Trump tweeted that his phones had been tapped. Though there have been no leaks directly linking Trump and Russia.

    Here is what we do not know:
    a) There may have been wiretapping the phones of Donald Trump outside of the legal process may have been done (which would make sense when connecting the dots but still nothing more than speculation at this point).

    b) Whether or not President Obama himself was involved in any of this (the Justice Department is supposed to be independent of the White House but there was a previous incident of wiretapping allies in Germany in which the President was proven to have a direct involvement so it is entirely plausible).


    I guess as more facts come out, we will see but there are multiple reasons to be concerned here:
    1) Whether or not Trump's phones were hacked.
    2) If there was tapping, what the findings of the hacking were? (This is relevant due to the reason why the hacks were being implemented in the first place, it may just be political or it may be due to a serious concern).
    3) Whether or not Trump had any direct dealings with Russia and whether or not they are a threat to our country from a national security perspective (keep in mind, this guy is president and if he is untrustworthy for whatever reason, we should all be concerned).
    4) Whether or not Obama was directly involved (as that would be a gross abuse of power).
     
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  6. Commodore

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    hard to think of anyone with less credibility than Clapper that the Obama team could have trotted out to deny the wiretap
     
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  7. Dairy Ashford

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    Now I really miss John McLaughlin and Tim Russert.
     
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  8. Yung-T

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    Most ironic post of the year.
     
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  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    This moron wants congress to find evidence after he claims he was bugged LOL.

    Biggest conman I have ever seen.
     
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    The crazy thing about this is that I wouldn't be surprised if the allegations were true and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete lie made up by a con man to deflect from other things going on.
     
  11. ipaman

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    Thank you President Trump for turning D.C. and the media on its head!

    I was not a fan and didn't vote for Trump but this is exactly what I was hoping would happen if Trump or Sanders won.

    D.C. needs to be destroyed from within because it's rotten. Right or wrong, Trump doesn't take any bullshit and he's pouring gasoline all over D.C. and the media. My hope is that from the ashes something better will emerge.
     
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  12. Mr.Scarface

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    You know why this is false? Because tweeted it. The WhiteHouse cannot order the tapping of anything. That would be done by Justice (more specifically, the FBI). That means Comey. This was done thru the FISA court. Trump found out about it and was mad.
     
  13. Commodore

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    Levin lays out the damning evidence

     
  14. Rashmon

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    Donnie Boy is going to learn the hard way that his bully tactics and doubling down on the stupid that worked against low level unpaid contractors is not going to fly in the big leagues. He is so out of his depth he's drowning.
     
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  15. Newlin

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    So, does Justice department mean former Attorney General Loretta Lynch?

    Why do I get the feeling that this whole thing is going to end up having a lot of people exercising their 5th amendment rights.
     
  16. dandorotik

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    Sure, all those are possibilities. Then again, they could be all wrong. It is entirely possible that Obama could encourage this. It is also entirely possible that he said he doesn't get involved. If they want to investigate, go for it

    However, that is not the issue. President Trump did not say that Obama may be guilty of this and that he should be investigated. He said Obama did this. What happens if they found out Obama had nothing to do with it? Then President Trump looks even more foolish than he already does.

    This is also the problem with completely biased posters like BigTexxx. He posts a headline which pronounces Obama guilty in a declarative statement, then he thinks he's being clever by adding the "according to" part in the message. As if we wouldn't see right through him. What most of us somewhat-biased posters would do is say, "Obama Accused Of"... or "Trump Accuses...." because that is the story until proof is produced.

    BigTexxx can try to pull his deflection bit, but the problem with that is that he's not dealing with a bunch of uninformed idiots like you'll see in Comments sections on Yahoo and other boards. He forgets that many or most of us are intelligent people - on both sides - and that his game of hypocrisy, misdirection, faux outrage, and cherry-pick-itis doesn't work here. You'd think he'd realize this by now, but some just don't get it.
     
  17. ipaman

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    Liberal lunatics are worried about Russian spies this whole time when apparently then should have been more worried about Obama's Administration spying culture.

    If you libs are okay with an Obama administration spying on Trump campaign but are upset that Russia is spying on Trump campaign then you're clearly partisan and not credible. The left is so hysterical and triggered about Trump's "Authoritarian" style yet turn a blind eye to Obama's administration who allegedly spied on opposition, tax audited opposition, punished whistle blowers like no other before, spies on allies, etc... Who's the real Authoritarian here folks?!?!
     
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  18. ipaman

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    The same Lynch who Bily Clinton "ran into" on an airport tarmac in Phoenix during Hilary's email probe.
     
  19. dobro1229

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    I find it hilarious that this Right Wing nutcase lays out all the "Evidence" for Obama "Spying" on Trump, but all the while what he's doing is further bringing light to the fact (if these reports of a FISA warrant are true) that the courts had PROBABLE CAUSE to suspect Trump's connections and collusions with Russia.

    How do the Right Wingers not realize that the more they b**** about Obama "spying" on Trump to try and make Obama look bad, the more they are bringing to light that Trump was more and more likely to be compromised by a foreign power & colluding with them.

    You seriously can't make this S$%& up. What idiots.
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    You don't read anything do you. In fact you have very little grasp on this situation at all, a couple of posts scrolling up and you would have realized your statement is false. Your dick in one hand and words for trump in the other. Seriously dude, you are just sad at this point get it together.
     
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