House Intelligence chair partially backs off claim about surveillance of Trump transition team http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-russia-investigation-20170324-story.html
No, he's not "Satan incarnate" he was just a really bad president due to his complete lack of executive experience when he got the job combined with his political ideology. Anyway, I wouldn't expect someone like you to be able to understand, so feel free to go back to your worship.
Well this is getting interesting and starting to look like Trump was right about surveillance even if he was wrong about the surveillance being actual wiretapping. Of course before it is all said and done, we may find out there was actual wiretapping. This could be a huge scandal before it is all said and done.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ion-from-trump-surveillance-concerned-me.html Though it is interesting how Fox News no so subtlely starts the article by implying the surveillance was targeting Trump. Very charitable of them.
To date, Trump is a plain liar on this. Nothing new has changed that. The spin works for some that is too easily mislead (maybe willfully) though.
I don't think it's a good thing when the people you hire to run your campaign are being spied on for connections to Ukraine and Russia, considering what's going on over in Eastern Europe.
Only time will tell but if what Nunes is saying turns out to be true, I am sure you and the others on the left will only focus on there was no actual wiretapping and Trump said "wiretapping" part instead of what actually happened.
If what Nunes said is completely true, it doesn't validate anything that Trump tweeted. What Nunes said is that what he discovered was legally obtained which isn't what Trump tweeted, implied, and has reiterated. What Nunes said is that none of it came from the orders of obama, which is again doesn't support anything Trump tweeted. Furthermore Nunes has not given his own committee the information he says he had. That could be a problem. Because unless he got the information from a whistleblower, it would be illegal for him to be receiving his own classified information elsewhere. So every thing Nunes said could end up being true (except, of course, the parts where Nunes contradicted himself), and it wouldn't really backup what Trump tweeted.
You can spin this anyway you want but it would not surprise me at all if indictments come out of this. There seems to be a lot more to this than the Russian witch-hunt.
Just stop being played and trying to play others into the right wing spin machine please? Don't play people for fools. The investigation has been about the Russians meddling in our election and if any US citizens aided them. The GOP is trying like hell to turn this political and make Obama the enemy and Trump the martyr its insulting to suggest otherwise so just stop please. Let's just put this to right here and right now until we find out something illegal happened with wiretapping- A. Even Nunes said the survelence collected was INCIDENTAL and routine. Nothing illegal. B. He's provided no evidence that any US citizens were unmasked illegally. C. IF a FISA warrant was granted on either the person the Trump team was talking to or to observe (tap whatever) on either end of a call, that's not good news for the Trump team. That's actually really bad because that means there was probable cause. If we or they get evidence that Trump was illegally surveyed, that's a separate matter that should be handled in a seperate investigation, and shouldn't be politicized. So my recommendation is to just say that Trump is innocent until proven guilty, but you want to be a good patriot and make sure our leaders aren't secretly working to advance other countries agendas so let's let the proper channels investigate without this getting more polticized. That's the right response here man. Stop playing people for fools and thinking like Trump does where you can just keep spinning the argument to always deflect. The truth is there is obviously reason to investigate Trumps team and Comey wouldn't have made that public without reason. Let's just see what happens and stop trying to play this stupid F-ing game. We should all be on the same side on this one as Americans, but sadly folks are playing tribal politics.
Believe what you want but the truth will come out. You do realize the issue is that people in the Trump campaign that were not under surveillance were "unmasked" and their conversations were shared amongst various intelligence agencies? You do also realize that that is illegal? You can call it right wing spin if you want but it will not change the facts. As far your last point, I do agree that people are innocent until proven guilty. The left started the politicization of all this with the Russian BS. They are just as guilty of playing "F-ing game" as anyone on the right. It is only after they realize there may be a lot more to this and their side could easily be the one that gets hurt that they want to "slow down" and stop playing the "F-ing game".
Deflect is what Trump actually excel in. Unfortunately it will work for some... too many. cml750 is not going to remember or care what Trump actually tweeted, but what the spin is afterward.
I don't have to "believe what I want" like the Right is doing during the Trump post truth era. I'm just going where the FACTS are. And no despite what your hearing from the spin unmasking is NOT illegal if the intelligence official goes to the judge and says "this is why I need to see why this person was talking to X person" and the judge approves. As many intelligence officials have come out in recent days and said, this is very common. So no there is still no evidence that anyone in the intelligence community broke any laws so just stop trying to spin this. Poltitization of the "Russian BS".... Seriously... you're proving you're playing politics here and putting party above country if you keep trying to act like this is just some made up conspiracy theory. It's not dude. Stop trying to play people for fools. Do I need to list out the Russian scandal FACTS we already know? Of course there is politization on both sides in Washington. Is there gambling in the casino? However simply having concerns about FACTS and following them as they come in is NOT poltitization. It's simply following the facts. Some dems might be going too far (like calling him an illegitimate president/not my president etc) and finding him guilty of being a foreign agent already but simply pointing out the facts thus far isn't politization. So stop playing people for fools and trying to spin like a top. Create a new thread for concerns about US citizens being wiretapped if you want but that's a totally separate argument and doesn't excuse any crimes potentially committed in aiding a foreign hostile power in hacking our election. In other news Russia yesterday was reported by our generals in arming the Taliban to fight the US in Afghanistan. So let's just please drop the whole "who cares about the Russians act". The enemy of my enemy is not always your friend. You are being played and being asked to play others in downplaying this scandal and to spin it to protect your team. This is serious stuff. Country above party please or stop calling yourself a patriot.
We have gone from one of the best presidents in Obama to the worst president in this countries history. Could you imagine Trump during WWII? Or Handling the vietnam war? Or even the great recession?
So let me get this straight -- Original claim: Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. 1. Obama -- Evidence to support Obama's involvement? No. 2. wiretapped -- Evidence to support there was a wiretap? No -- Nunes says no wiretap. 3. Trump Tower -- Evidence to support Trump Tower was being monitored? No. So can we agree that the original claim from Trump was more BS of the same sort as the Birther nonsense he was parroting for several years? If people want to move on to the issue that the FBI inappropriately unmasked the names persons who were not under legally under nvestigation, that's fine. But it's a different issue, and does not remotely justify Trump's reckless accusation that Obama had his "wires tapped."
LOL at Russian Witch-hunt. People on the right make collaborating with Russia to win an election a witch-hunt, but make whitewater and Monica legit concerns. You and your party are a total joke. Stop pretending that you have any values.
One of the best presidents??... I dunno but Obama doesn't get nearly enough credit for things like the stimulus package and the first time home buyer credit which made a huge difference in getting the economy back on track. I know I would have had another 3 or 4 years renting had that credit not been made available. The dude also killed freakin Bin Laden, and although Isis happened on his watch the fact that an Iraqi army has almost already forced them into oblivion is pretty great. It being Iraqi led is the most important aspect too. It fights against their ideology which is huge. I also think Obama had some mixed reviews in his Legislation but going from him to Trump has been a revelation to say the least. I just hope Wall Street continues to be enamoured with Trump, but the signs are already showing that the Dow is starting to drop already as those tax cuts look harder to achieve, and cutting regulations will get immediate bumps but it won't sustain long term as the companies have to do well after they are given free reign. Hopefully he learns to stop over promising to Wall Street and legislate in a more stable manner. Needless to say history will be good to Obama and if Michelle wants to run it's going to be received with open arms by many Americans.
