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Obama and Compulsory Service

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by halfbreed, Jul 8, 2008.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    texas colleges tution has gone up recently because of deregulation (something i'm sure you support)

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    Texas Public University Tuition Up 112 Percent Since Deregulation

    star-telegram.com
    6/6/2008




    It's not up as much as gasoline, which has risen 144 percent in the past five years, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. But a recent report by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board dramatizes how much bigger a bite tuition is taking statewide.

    Tuition at Texas public colleges rose 112 percent from 2003 to 2007, according to the report by the coordinating board.

    The news has prompted state Rep. Garnet Coleman, D-Houston, to renew his calls to repeal tuition deregulation.

    "We should repeal tuition deregulation, then lower tuition by at least $500," Coleman said in a telephone interview. "The way it worked before worked well."

    Texas public universities have been able to set their own tuition rates since 2003. Coleman blames House Speaker Tom Craddick for thwarting bills Coleman sponsored in 2005 and 2007 to undo deregulation. He promised to try again in the coming session.

    Average tuition for a Texas undergraduate taking 15 semester credit hours jumped from $625 to $1,330 per semester from fall 2003 to fall 2007.
     
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    1) Deregulation didn't cause the cost to increase, as you so foolishly imply (causation versus correlation -- read about that)

    2) Garnet Coleman's logic of 'it worked well before' is ignorant of what costs actually drives tuition increases.

    Pathetic article and horrible judgment used in thinking the article is fit to post.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    as usual, you b**** and demaean but you have nothing to back up your claim, pathetic debating style as usual
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Seriously, man, you took an article, mis-interpreted its meaning by confusing causation and correlation (costs are up since deregulating, not because of it), then pooped it out onto Clutchfans thinking that you contributed something meaningful. Time to go get some toilet paper/disinfectant to clean up your slop.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Good plan. Gobama.
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    how did i misinterpet the article, do you at least have poop to back up your claim? we're not playing this game with you anymore, explain to us your knowledge or stop posting
     
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Sure, I'll be happy to tell you for the third time. You misinterpreted the article by falsely claiming that deregulation caused the tuition increase. There is nothing cited to support that. Tuition has increased since deregulation, but that in no way suggests that deregulation itself caused it.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    And for the third time, what is the reason for increase

    at least i have a reason for increase, I could do further research, but you haven't even provided a reason, other than saying my article doesn't give a reason, but that's really incorrect, it just doesn't go into further explaining. so give your reason, to counter the deregulation argument and we can go from there.

    TIA
     
  9. weslinder

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    Federal Grants and cheap Federal loans. It would do you well to read the study that I linked earlier.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    pgabs, you introduced the concept of deregulation causing the increase. That was not suggested by the article. So please give us a window into your logic as to how you arrived at that conclusion. The logical causes for the increase are price inflation for wages, administrative costs, acquisition of information, government costs, financing costs, etc. But you have jumped well beyond those typical explanations and stated that deregulation itself caused the increase in tuition. Please be so kind as to back that up, friend.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're hanging on a semantic, deregulation allowed the increase, i've never heard of a texas state university losing money pre or post deregulation, university of texas is one of the most well funded universities in the country.
     
  12. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    You've 'never heard of a texas state university losing money'. Nice analysis there. Very nice analysis. For starters, it's clearly wrong. Second, the quality of instruction and educational experience would be obviouly reduced if you couldn't catch up to rising costs and had to scale back. Just too many learning curves to climb for you to get there on this argument...


    GOOD DAY
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I look into it later, I admit that being from the Cato Institute I'm a little skeptical, but I am familiar with the argument that easier access to gov't funds has inturn driven up tuition, it has been discussed here recently
     
  14. pgabriel

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    who's losing money

    edit: your reasoning was costs, what school was struggling?
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Texas Southern and Paul Quinn spring to mind immediately as two that have had financial problems.

    OUCH
     
  17. pgabriel

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    That's fair but their problems have nothing to do with tuition and increasing tuition won't fix them.
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    I haven't read Obama's plan on this but from what I've seen so far I have no problems with it. This is far from slavery as the students are getting something in return for their labor.
     
  19. halfbreed

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    I'm more worried about compulsory service for middle schoolers who won't be getting any such tax credits or college funds for their service.

    Service for federal funds is fine with me. It's like a job. Making someone do something for nothing is antithetical to the idea of America.
     
  20. Major

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    Where has he said this?
     

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