Obama and Ayers: 21 years of "just guys in the neighborhood."

Faos · Oct 9, 2008

mc mark said:

John McCain is a coward and Joe Biden calls him on it today!
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Was he drunk again?

Did Biden answer the ACORN and Ayers questions for Obama?

That crappy format didn't allow the candidates to deviate much from Brokaw's and the crowds weak questions. Here's hoping the final debate will allow just that.

pgabriel · Oct 9, 2008

Faos said:

That crappy format didn't allow the candidates to deviate much from Brokaw's and the crowds weak questions. Here's hoping the final debate will allow just that.
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you mean the format that mccain said he owns

edit: LOL

basso · Oct 9, 2008

Faos said:

Was he drunk again?

Did Biden answer the ACORN and Ayers questions for Obama?

That crappy format didn't allow the candidates to deviate much from Brokaw's and the crowds weak questions. Here's hoping the final debate will allow just that.
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calling McCain a coward doesn't seem like a wise strategy.

Rocketman95 · Oct 9, 2008

basso said:

calling McCain a coward doesn't seem like a wise strategy.
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He's just telling the truth. Of course, the truth has never been a wise strategy for the Republicans.

What happened to the McCain earlier this week who said he wasn't going to talk about Ayers.

I'm already hearing the crickets...

pgabriel · Oct 9, 2008

basso said:

calling McCain a coward doesn't seem like a wise strategy.
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it worked for swiftboaters

pgabriel · Oct 9, 2008

seriously, what is mccain going to ask obama. do you know ayers. we already know the answer.

nobody cares. you guys are so freakin out of touch just like your candidate

mc mark · Oct 9, 2008

Faos said:

Was he drunk again?
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Can we please stop with this lie.

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Mr. Biden then entered the dining car and whispered something to the woman behind the counter, Joanne. He ordered a bottle of water and a “Cranberry cocktail.”

A reporter expressed surprise that Biden would partake of a “cocktail” at this afternoon hour.

“I’m the only guy you know who doesn’t drink,” Biden said, adding that he has never taken a drink in his life.

“Too many alcoholics in my family,” he explained.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/riding-the-rails-with-amtrak-joe/

basso · Oct 9, 2008

Rocketman95 said:

He's just telling the truth. Of course, the truth has never been a wise strategy for the Republicans.
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it worked in 2004.

Rocketman95 · Oct 9, 2008

basso said:

it worked in 2004.
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No, it didn't. Dispicible lies worked in 2004. It's not going to work this year.

Rocketman95 · Oct 9, 2008

Using McCain's logic, he associates with a terrorist sympathizer since he and Obama share a work place.

Faos · Oct 9, 2008

pgabriel said:

nobody cares.
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Sadly, you are correct and that's why Obama will win.

Because nobody cared.

Faos · Oct 9, 2008

mc mark said:

Can we please stop with this lie.
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I was giving him the benefit of the doubt...certainly he wouldn't act that way sober.

Rocketman95 · Oct 9, 2008

Faos said:

Sadly, you are correct and that's why Obama will win.

Because nobody cared.
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Yeah, such a shame that no one cares about non-issues when people are losing thousands in their 401ks and 4,000 plus soldiers have died in an unjust war. But hey, Obama knows someone who did something bad when Obama was 8!

Your candidates own people admit they lose when talking about the real issues. They know this is nothing but a distraction with the hopes of making people forget about how ****ty their lives are currently, they know that's the only way they have a chance. Problem with that strategy is people are too pissed off to buy that bull**** for a third election in a row. I hope you enjoy the Obama Administration cause it's coming soon.

rhadamanthus · Oct 9, 2008

Faos said:

Sadly, you are correct and that's why Obama will win.

Because nobody cared.
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pgabriel · Oct 9, 2008

Faos said:

Sadly, you are correct and that's why Obama will win.

Because nobody cared.
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yes, god forbid people voting on actual issues like the economy and healthcare, and not obama launching his campaign at ayer's house, a guy you and most voters didn't even know until April probably.

yeah its truly sad

basso · Oct 9, 2008

Rocketman95 said:

Yeah, such a shame that no one cares about non-issues when people are losing thousands in their 401ks and 4,000 plus soldiers have died in an unjust war. But hey, Obama knows someone who did something bad when Obama was 8!
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if that's all it is, why the lies about when they met?

basso · Oct 9, 2008

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IROC it · Oct 9, 2008

basso said:

Distractions :

"Bringing up Bill Ayers and the character issue is a distraction from the fact that the American people want to hear what we're going to do about the economy."

"Asserting that I'm going to raise taxes is a distraction from the fact that the American people want to know who's going to end the war responsibly in Iraq."

"Saying that I want to surrender in Iraq is a distraction from the fact that the American people want to know that their president is a man who can show judgement and character."
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The circle of life!

Faos · Oct 9, 2008

Rocketman95 said:

Yeah, such a shame that no one cares about non-issues when people are losing thousands in their 401ks and 4,000 plus soldiers have died in an unjust war. But hey, Obama knows someone who did something bad when Obama was 8!

Your candidates own people admit they lose when talking about the real issues. They know this is nothing but a distraction with the hopes of making people forget about how ****ty their lives are currently, they know that's the only way they have a chance. Problem with that strategy is people are too pissed off to buy that bull**** for a third election in a row. I hope you enjoy the Obama Administration cause it's coming soon.
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So magically when Obama's in office we're going to get all of our money back? Terrific! I'm in!

pgabriel · Oct 9, 2008

basso said:

so, you agree Obama is lying! awesome.

more evidence O! is lying.

[rquoter]Obama's Chief Strategist, David Axelrod, Said That Obama Did Not Know About Ayers' Past When The Two First Met:

"Barack Obama's Top Political Adviser Said Yesterday Obama 'Didn't Know The History' Of Unrepentant Bomber William Ayers' Activities In The Violent Weather Underground Movement When The Candidate Attended A Political Event At Ayers' Home In 1995." (Geoff Earle, "Bomber? What Bomber?" New York Post, 10/7/08)

* Axelrod: "When he went he certainly didn't know the history." (Geoff Earle, "Bomber? What Bomber?" New York Post, 10/7/08)

Obama Lived In New York From 1981 Until 1985:

In October Of 1981, The Associated Press Described Ayers As The Leader Of The Weather Underground, Described The Groups Bombings, And Quoted A Senate Committee As Saying The Group Was "Dedicated To The Violent Overthrow Of Establishment Power In The United States." "Radicalized during protests against the Vietnam War, members of the Weather Underground have continued their rebellion against the system while many of their peers became part of the establishment. Members of the Weather Underground lived a life on the run, often after being charged in violent protests. ... And you don't need a digital watch to know times have changed since the night, 11 1/2 years ago, when a building on West 11th Street explo ded... Police said the 19th century brownstone was a bomb factory. ... They joined the Weather Underground, a network of fugitives who specialized in violent political action. Originally, they were the Weatherman, a faction of the Students for a Democratic Society which led 1969's 'Days of Rage' demonstrations in Chicago. The Weatherman, according to a Senate committee, was a group 'dedicated to the violent overthrow of established power in the United States.' They backed their revolutionary spirit with action. The FBI has blamed them for the 1971 bombing of the U.S. Capitol, the 1976 prison escape of drug guru Timothy Leary, the 1974 bombing of Gulf Oil headquarters in Pittsburgh and other crimes. Their leadership was of the same ilk as Miss Boudin and Miss Wilkerson _ well-to-do, college-educated youth. There was Bernardine Dohrn, a University of Chicago valedictorian; William Ayers, son of a former president of Chicago's Commonwealth Edison Co.; Mark Rudd, leader of the insurrection at Columbia University." (Jerry Schwartz, "Arrest Of One Of The Last Roving Radicals," The Associated Press, 10/22/81)

In November Of 1981, Time Magazine Described Ayers' Surrender To Authorities And The Weather Underground's "Days Of Rage" Demonstration And New York Bomb Factory. "When fingerprinted, one of the four in custody turned out to be Katherine Boudin, 38, a leading activist in the violent Weather Underground movement of that period and a fugitive from justice for eleven years. Once on the FBI's 'Most Wanted' list for her participation in the 1969 'Days of Rage' demonstrations in Chicago, Boudin no longer faced federal charges, but was liable for prosecution in Illinois for jumping bail. She had been in hiding since March 6, 1970, when a Greenwich Village town house used as a Weather Underground bomb factory accidentally exploded, killing three group members. Boudin a nd a comrade, Cathlyn Wilkerson, fled naked from the burning wreckage. Wilkerson turned herself in ten years later and is now serving a three-year sentence for criminally negligent homicide. Most of the other leading Weather radicals had already surrendered, generally to face fines and suspended sentences. Among them: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who came in from the cold in Chicago last December." (Claudia Wallis, "Bullets From The Underground," Time, 11/2/81)

In November Of 1981, Newsweek Described The Surrender Of Ayers For His Involvement With The Weather Underground, A "Militant, Violence-Prone Offshoot Of Students For A Democratic Society." "In a sense, the capture of Jones and Raskin, following the arrests of Boudin and Clark, could mark the end of the Weather Underground. All four had remained at the core of the group from the time it was first founded in 1969 as the Weatherman group, a militant, violence-prone offshoot of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). ... And last December the group's two central figures finally emerged. Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers had spent several years living in Manhattan under fictitious names. Dohrn was fined and put on probation for the Days of Rage; charges against Ayer s had been dropped years earlier." (Peter Mcgrath, Susan Agrest, Eric Gelman, Ray Saywhill, Frank Gibney Jr. and George Hackett, "Return Of The Weatherman," Newsweek, 11/2/81)

In November Of 1981, The New York Times Described The Surrender Of Ayers And The Guerilla Tactics Of The Weather Underground And Their Acts Of "Revolutionary Violence." "June 1969 saw the birth of the Weatherman (the name was taken from the lyrics of a Bob Dylan song: 'You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows'). Its 25,000-word manifesto declared that white radicals would bring about a worldwide revolution by fighting in the streets of the 'Mother Country.' The organization, which initially claimed some 400 members, committed acts of 'revolutionary violence' across the nation. Weathermen tried to impress and recruit working-class youths by going into drive-in hamburger joints and picking fights with police; they burst into schools and broke up classes, yelling: 'Jailbreak!' A delegation that went to Cuba that July met with representatives of the Vietnamese National Liberation Front, who advised them to build a street-fighting guerrilla force. Within a very short time, that is exactly what they did. Separating into collectives of 10 to 20 persons each, they attempted to create what they called a 'Red Army.' ... Since then, several have surrendered: Cathy Wilkerson, now serving three years for possession of the dynamite that caused the townhouse explosion; Bernardine Dohrn, who was fined on local Chicago riot charges and put on three-year probation, and Bill Ayers, against whom charges had been dropped but who had been living with Bernardine Dohrn and their two small children in Manhattan under an assumed name." (Lucinda Franks, "The Seeds Of Terror," The New York Times, 11/22/81)

Obama Lived In Chicago From 1985 Until 1988 And Again From 1991 Until Present:

In August Of 1985, The Chicago Tribune Described Ayers As A Former Weatherman. "Dohrn is married to a former Weatherman, William Ayers, now a teacher, and has three sons." ("Bar A Barrier To '60s Radical," Chicago Tribune, 8/27/85)

In July Of 1993, The Chicago Tribune Described Bill Ayers As A Leader Of The Weather Underground, And Described The Various Bombings And Violent Demonstrations The Group Committed. "For Bill Ayers, once a leader of the Weather Underground, it has been almost a quarter of a century since that fall night of Oct. 8, 1969, when he and 300 other radicals, wearing helmets, leather gloves and boots, stormed out of Lincoln Park, carrying pipes and sticks and yelling, 'On to the Drake!' They were launching an attack on the penthouse of an apartment cooperative in the Drake Tower, which is next door to the Drake Hotel. The marchers believed it was th e home of U.S. District Judge Julius Hoffman, the feisty jurist who was about to preside over the Chicago Eight conspiracy trial. In fact, Hoffman lived downstairs, not in the penthouse. The mob, diverted by police, never found him. But during the chaos, which lasted four days, 290 militants were arrested, 63 people, mostly police officers, were injured and thousands of dollars of damage was done, mostly by smashing windows of stores and cars on the Near North Side. ... But it was at the University of Michigan, in the turbulent '60s, "where the whole world opened up for me," Ayers said. Rallies. Sit-ins. Draft board disruptions. Plunging into Students for a Democratic Society, Ayers became a state organizer. During the troubles at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, Ayers was in the thick of battles in Lincoln Park and outside the Conrad Hilton Hotel. He burned his draft card. ... Convinced that stronger efforts were needed to derail the war, an SDS group, including Ayers, formed the Weather Underground. Plotting to blow up Ft. Dix in New Jersey and police headquarters in New York and Detroit, they set up a bomb factory in a townhouse in New York's Greenwich Village, owned by the unsuspecting parents of one group member, Cathlyn Wilkerson. On the night of March 6, 1970, a bomb blew up, apparently when Terry Robbins, following instructions in a book, crossed a pair of wires. The blast, which badly shook neighbor Dustin Hoffman, leveled the townhouse and killed three people. Rather than fa ce the legal fallout, as well as long trials on charges stemming from the "Days of Rage" activities, the Weather Underground members, including Ayers and another friend, Bernardine Dohrn, went underground. Over the next four years, the group took credit for a dozen bombings, including one at the U.S. Capitol, to protest the war. No one was injured." (Jon Anderson, "Weathering Change '60s Revolutionary Bill Ayers Says He Has Always Been A Teacher, But He No Longer Uses Bombs As Study Aids," Chicago Tribune, 7/8/93)
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I stupidly read this whole article to learn that they claim obama's lying about know about Ayer's past because he lived in Chicago when the paper wrote an article about his past????

one thing about it, if it was palin or bush, we couldn't make the assumption that they read the paper

*rimshot*

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