If you read his comment about "weak," he was referring to the primary jist of Tinman's argument that Oasis is better than Radiohead because Thom Yorke and the band don't like to play "Creep" in concert. As a basis for saying one band is better than the other, I would think that's pretty weak. The other two are wrong- but you stereotype by saying "Radiohead fans" instead of calling out one or two for their whacked-out opinions. That's just as bad. Bottom line is that saying one band is "better" than the other is purely subjective, nothing more. And it really has little basis for argument. The Beatles vs. The Monkees Who was more influential? Legit argument Who was more popular? Basis in fact Who was better? Strictly opinion, unless you base better by record sales or something like that. I think Oasis vs. Radiohead is more akin to the following debate: Aerosmith vs. Van Halen Now THERE'S a debate I'd like to see.
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This is a good argument dude. Maybe I'm a 'fake radiohead fan' cause I like that song CREEP in the year 2000 in Houston. Throw the stone at me, but I tell you I was NOT THE ONLY PERSON in the building who was disappointed with that concert. I guess for some, getting Thom to go to Houston was a blessing to Radiohead fans. To me as a fan and as a guy who paid money for the show and the albums, that's what I wanted to see. Listening to the CDs for both groups is fine, but in concert is where you connect with your fans. They didn't want to connect with the fans. Oasis, Las Vegas, the Joint. I was there.. Same with that Brandon Flowers guy, he was so enthused he started the Killers. The energy at the Oasis concert was ELECTRIC. The energy at Radiohead was like morning mass.
Point taken. I didn't like Guns N' Roses after they pulled their crap at the Texas Stadium festival, but I guess time healed the wounds. At least you're sincere in your opinion, which is cool. I guess Oasis turned me off initially based on their "if I lived in the same time period as the Beatles, it would've been me writing those songs" or something to that effect. But they're pretty good.
You're absolutely right on all accounts, got caught up in it. I don't care if i'm the only person in the world who likes oasis, just don't tell me i'm a chump because I do. Anyways, Oasis isn't even similar to radiohead, i think a better comparison would probably be The Verve. you could get a good debate with aerosmith vs. van halen, though you're a jackass if you pick aerosmith.
another poster wrote something that the Verve > Oasis what he doesn't know is that Oasis = Oasis because of the Verve. Cast No Shadow was written about Richard Ashcroft. Where do you think Liam gets some of his mannerisms? The Verve and the Charlattans Look I did mention I went to the Radiohead concert in 2000. For a non crazed Radiohead fan, I first heard of them because of "CREEP" and then I bought their albums. The Bends is classic, OK Computer was a little weird but still good. They didn't play that song on purpose. Do they still play "KARMA POLICE" cause I know that's a good song and its POPULAR. its that suppose to be cool, not playing songs people like? And Radiohead fan, you know you like CREEP cause you can freaking sing the entire song without look at the words.
1. Aerosmith vs. Van Halen 2. Get Your Wings vs. Van Halen II 3. Toys in the Attic vs. Women and Children First 4. Rocks vs. Fair Warning 5. Draw The Line vs. Diver Down 6. Night in the Ruts vs. 1984 I think the 1980s Aerosmith and the Sammy Hagar-Van Halen cancel each other out. When it comes down to it, these are the 6 CDs that matter most within each band. And Van Halen definitely wins on #s 1, 2, and 6 above, but Aerosmith has them beat on 3, 4, and 5. Edge to Van Halen for musicianship, edge to Aerosmith for singing, draw on lyrics, seen both live- fairly similar there- Aerosmith influenced Van Halen (particularly David Lee Roth) heavily, but VH took it a step further. Overall? Slight, slight edge to VH. But if I have to take one of those 12 CDs to the proverbial desert island, it's going to be Rocks. Pure, gritty rock doesn't get much better than that.
They don't play Creep anymore because it's one of their weaker songs and most people at the show don't care to hear it. That's like getting mad if NIN doesn't play "Closer" at their shows, which thank god it looks like Trent has finally put that song to rest. Unfortunately I had to hear it live about 20 times before he did so. I'm a crazed Radiohead fan, and I would have absolutely no interest in hearing Creep live. Their catalog of music is so great that I'd much rather hear one of their other hundred or so much better songs. And to say their is no energy at a Radiohead show is down right ridiculous. Let me guess, you were sitting about 2 miles away from the stage right? Also, if you thought OK Computer was too weird then Radiohead probably isn't your cup of tea anyways.
I am unable to give an objective opinion because I am a huge radiohead fan... but let me give you a couple facts here. Creep was the only US released single on Pablo Honey, which was Radiohead's first album. That album was released in 1993...25 years ago...(I will let other posters draw some similarities here in your choice of arugment..) at the time of it's release alot of comparisons were made between Radiohead and Nirvana (calling them the English Nirvana). Creep was labeled a "slacker anthem" and as Nirvana was probably at their peak of popularity this was a natural comparison. I have read alot about how when Cobain killed himself this had a pretty profound effect on Thom Yorke. Although "The Bends" would come out a year after Cobain's death, OK Computer was the first album where Radiohead tried to consciously distance themselves from the grunge sound. I am not Thom Yorke but if you look at the facts objectively you can see how the band would resent "Creep". The Bends was a masterpeice and OK Computer was groundbreaking at the time, but neither of them came close ro rivaling the US success of "Creep". Thom Yorke has mentioned in a number of interviews that he used to recieve fanmail from Murderers in prison who said they connected with Creep and it's message (even though it was a love song)... Let me just say that Pablo Honey is by far Radiohead's worst album. I take sentimental enjoyment in seeing how they progressed from one album to the next, but musically it is an inferior album. Tinman, if you are bored one day I challenge to you listen to "In Rainbows" from start to finish and just enjoy the music. While I will get some arguments, from start to finish it is their most complete and enjoyable album... just keep and open mind, and give it a couple listens, it grows on you...
it was the year 2000, in Houston, only 7 years after Pablo Honey when I saw Radiohead. I'm not arguing that they should or shouldn't play that song TODAY. As an American that's the first song I heard from them, so I decided to see them in concert.
On that point, that whole movement of those type of bands owe quite a bit to the Stone Roses. They have some really great songs as well. If you haven't checked them out, I would highly suggest it. I agree Creep is a good song, but its far from their best. When I saw them in September last year, I wasn't waiting to hear that one. If anything I was looking forward to Knives Out the most. Maybe I'm pretentious as you would say, but I really could care less if they play Creep. If they were to play a song from that album, I'd take Anyone Can Play Guitar.
of course I know the Stone Roses, I even have Ian brown's album. Stone Roses, Charlattans, Verve, Oasis are similar. If you like one then you like the others. Same can't be said about Radiohead cause their songs sound different. The only time Radiohead sounded like a British "ROCK" Band was THE BENDS. Once again, take yourself back to the year 2000. Willenium. You paid money to see Radiohead in the year 2000. They don't play Creep. Someone needed to send the Watchmen to their hotel room.
Willenium? Nice. You ever check out Ocean Colour Scene? They're pretty good too. I honestly can't say about your dilemma, I really didn't get into RH until '02. I was a little late to the party, but Ok Computer is what brought me in.
then its an easy analogy. if Ok Computer brought you in, then you got excited that they are coming to make a rare appearance in Houston. and they played a small venue ..Verizon in 2000. and they didn't play Karma Police. Are you going to leave the concert saying, man that was the best! No. you're like, why didn't they play Karma Police? Then diehard Radiohead fan says they don't play Karma Police cause its popular and they hate popularity. you should listen to THE BENDS, I think it's better then OK Computer. There's less of a 'theme' to it.
Nice, 1993 was definitely 25 years ago.... Charles Manson didn't stop Paul McCartney from playing Helter Skelter.
But Karma Police, despite its popularity, isn't even one of the better songs on OK Computer. Let Down, Paranoid Android, Homesick Alien are all better songs among others, and I would be much more disappointed if I didn't hear any of those songs than if I didn't hear Karma Police at a concert. And even if Radiohead fans dislike songs like Karma Police and Creep because they're popular, it's the same way with just about every other musical fanbase. Do Dave Matthews fans like the Space Between the best? Do Pearl Jam fans like Jeremy the best? People disliking songs because they are popular is common in just about every band's fanbase.
True, the two most popular songs on OK Computer, are Let Down and Karma Police. But IMO, those two are the amongst the weakest (relatively speaking) songs on the album. That's Odd...
They played in Houston at the Aerial theatre in 1998 with Spiritualized. They played Karma Police. I was there. They didn't play again in Houston until 2001...and they played Karma Police. I was there. Don't know what you are talking about (just reread and you were making an analogy). I still can't believe that your argument is based on Radiohead not playing Creep at all their shows. Creep is one of their worst songs. And once again, as far as caring about fans, they GAVE AWAY their latest album (if you didn't want to pay) and every tour since 2000 they have released the best seats in each venue to their fanclub for face value so that scalpers don't get them
Wasn't the Aerial Theater, today's Verizon? edit.. yes it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Wireless_Theater The Verizon Wireless Theater (formerly Aerial Theater) is an indoor theater owned by Live Nation and located in Houston, Texas, United States. The theater is located at 520 Texas Avenue in the 130,000 square foot Bayou Place entertainment complex in Downtown Houston.
