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Oakland Relocation

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Marshall Bryant, Jul 22, 2021.

  1. tinman

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    Jack London square is ok . And some decent places downtown but you got to park in well lit areas.
    the place where the warriors played was worse than the summit in Houston.
    Also taking the BART to the game to see the Stros vs As, there was a 90s rap video scene when you are on the train and definitely when you get off and get greeted by BARB WIRE
     
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    @Rock Block

    in case you are getting robbed or assaulted going to the game. They installed these emergency buttons

     
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  3. Hank McDowell

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    Yeah, even downtown is iffy though. Chinatown and Jack London Square were really cool, but you knew you were eventually going to get jacked if you stayed in one place for too long. But even still, I get why people like it, it’s got an energy, I just couldn’t live there. Nobody ever gave me any trouble, but I didn’t go looking for any either.
     
  4. jayfree

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    They are not putting the same city markets in the same division or even in the same league. LAD/LAA, NYM/NYM, CHW/CHC are better suited to be separated for regular season games as much as possible to get the most out of their fan base in each market.

    And yes in basketball you have the Knicks and Nets in the same division but baseball fan bases are much different in a 162 game season.
     
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    How about an Alaskan team?

    Good place for cold Septembers.
     
  6. Htown Stros

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    Really want Vegas so we can play there 9 times each season...thats 9 chances each season I can do the following:

    1. Watch my favorite team play after placing a sizable bet for them to win across the street (and we know they will as the As are trash)
    2. Hit the penny slots to consume a 12 pack for under $20 (who knows might even win $20!) during pregame warmups
    3. Stumble into seats to watch us kick their sorry ass
    4. Collect money from bet won
    5. Consume more "free drinks" at penny slots
    6. Use money collected in step 4 to make it rain (more like slighly drizzle) in Sapphires
    7. Repeat steps 1 through 6 for game 3 of the series (Im like Kawhi...body cant handle back to backs anymore)
     
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  7. Marshall Bryant

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    If you value dying traditions and rivalries over future possible traditions and rivalries at less cost and preferable times for the customers, you're right on point.

    The near future will eventually become the treasured past as the old past becomes mythology, remembered by none, but argued about by academics.
     
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    Right, because what the A's need is a Dodger-level payroll for the Stros to compete with.
     
  9. Htown Stros

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    It's not like they are going to move so they can be another small market team somewhere...
     
  10. jayfree

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    Has nothing to do with tradition. In baseball, outside of the die-hard fan base, you can have people root for both of their teams easily with them being in different conferences. Putting the same city's fans against each other to face 19 times or so a year may be a route MLB decides not to go to.

    You think SF and LA fans are brutal against each other, imagine NYM and NYY fans competing for the division. At least now you have a chance for both of their teams to make the playoffs and win their division in the same year.

    But in a nostalgic sense, it was a HUGE deal to bring the Astros to the AL, and before that the Brewers from the AL to the NL. No way MLB allows for their old time teams to switch leagues. The Yanks in the NL would seem exciting to watch but also way too much of a change.
     
  11. Marshall Bryant

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    I live in an area where the strongest rivalries are with the teams in the adjoining communities so I don't see a problem. There is nothing sacrosanct about keeping teams sharing a market in separate leagues.
     
  12. jayfree

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    Who knows how baseball would do. In the NBA they already have the same markets competing against each other in the same division (Nets/Knicks) (Rockets/Mavs) (Lakers/Clippers) (Bulls/Bucks) so it may very well work. The difference though is the NBA travels daily while the NFL travels once a week and the MLB every third day or so.

    It appears to be that the NBA is that way out of necessity and not out of making their rivalries better. I just think that in baseball, having more than one chance to have your city win the division and the possibility of meeting in the World Series (like Mets/Yankees) is more enticing to the fans. Baseball, unlike any other sport, has always been more traditional and changes that are eventually made are mainly from teams testing the boundaries of the rules and them having to result to reinforcing them in a different manner.

    There's a reason why baseball is talking about doing away with the shift and limiting the pitchers used in a game because tradition is being exploited. But they also have shown to make changes like fighting, foreign substances on the ball, home plate collisions and such so maybe they will consider it if they feel the public is ready.
     
  13. Marshall Bryant

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    A medium term plan for Baseball:

    32 Teams - 8 Divisions - 2 Leagues

    WS - 7 games over 2 weeks (2-2-1-1-1)

    LCS - 7 games over 2 weeks (2-2-1-1-1)

    LDS - 7 games over 2 weeks (2-2-1-1-1)

    No Wild Cards - No short series

    Regular season - 3 Division Opponents - 24 games (8-3 game series, 4H 4A)
    ----------------------- 12 League Opponents - 6 games (2-3 game series, 1H 1A)

    144 total games - Every week has two series, - One M, T, W;
    Then Th is universal travel day;
    Two - Fr, Sat, Sun with early start times for travel to Monday Location.

    24 total weeks of 6 games = 144 games; 6 weeks of playoffs always ending the last full week of October. If there is no AS break, the season would begin the 1st full week in April. If you MUST have AS Week, it would start the week prior to April, usually a partial week.

    No Playins - Tie-breakers from regular series match-ups.

    A perfectly balanced schedule. One off day every week, Baseball from April though October.

    Fewer games in season are offset by more playoff games.

    Next up, what would these new divisions look like?
     
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    Team Time Zone

    National

    PHI Eastern NL E
    BAL Eastern NL E
    WSH Eastern NL E
    CHA Eastern NL E

    DET Eastern NL N
    CLE Eastern NL N
    CIN Eastern NL N
    PIT Eastern NL N

    MIA Eastern NL S
    ATL Eastern NL S
    TBR Eastern NL S
    MEM Central NL S

    ARI Mountain NL W
    LAA Pacific NL W
    LAD Pacific NL W
    SDP Pacific NL W

    American

    BOS Eastern AL E
    NYM Eastern AL E
    NYY Eastern AL E
    TOR Eastern AL E

    CHC Central AL N
    MIN Central AL N
    MIL Central AL N
    CHW Central AL N

    STL Central AL S
    KCR Central AL S
    TEX Central AL S
    HOU Central AL S

    COL Mountain AL W
    SEA Pacific AL W
    SFG Pacific AL W
    LV Mountain AL W
     
  15. jayfree

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    I'm assuming this is your concoction you did and nothing proposed as serious as there are WAY too many changes to the current format.

    I don't see the league eliminating the WC games as they love that format nor taking away the inter-league play. Secondly, having division teams play each other 24 time in a season shorted by 8 games does not look ideal. Lastly, there is absolutely no reason the league would put both Chicago, LA and NY teams in the same division when they don't have to. Swap Balt back to the AL for the Mets, SF for the Angels and Cleveland or Detroit for the Cubs works perfectly still.

    I do like Memphis and Charlotte as expansion teams. OKC would seem interesting as well.
     
  16. Marshall Bryant

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    You're probably right. I'm better at figuring out what they SHOULD DO than what they WILL DO.
     
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  17. Mr.Scarface

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    Will never happen. You have teams that have been in the NL or AL for over 100 years switching leagues. Cubs, Giants, Mets, Tigers, Orioles, Cleveland, Cardinals will Never switch leagues. Memphis will never get a team. There are atleast 10 cities that better candidates (including Nashville). They will also never separate the Giants and Dodgers. NY teams will never be in the same division or league, for that matter. There is a reason the Mets and Yankees are in separate leagues. Marketing/TV and giving each league 1 team in NY, like it is in Chicago and LA.

    It is idiotic to have 2 teams in the same division in one city. You are splitting the market for no benefit.

    The Cubs moving to the American League? lol. The Cubs are an original member of the National League (White Stockings).
     
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  18. Mr.Scarface

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    I also noticed the Cardinals in the AL? In a different division than the Cubs? That is the oldest rivalry in baseball. They will always be in the same division. Cardinals(Brown Stockings/Browns) are almost as old as the Cubs. They would never be moved from the National League.
    You need to watch Ken Burns’ “Baseball”.
     
  19. PhiSlammaJamma

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    If all of the cities relocate, and leave their baseball teams behind, it would kinda be sad, because then there be a lot of people standing around in dirt, wondering, where did the city go. And they'd all likely get eaten by bears.
     
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  20. Marshall Bryant

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    Bears are scavengers, but even they wouldn't touch what the cities have become.
     

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