NYT: Secret Joint Raid Captures Taliban’s Top Commander

Hope so, considering the half-trillion in extra debt and 4,000 in fresh, young cadavers from the last time we went looking for nukes half cocked.

 

So, I am supposed to take the opinion of an Air Force veteran (I won't make any disparaging comments about airmen, my father graduated from the USAFA) over that of the leadership of the Army, FBI, police forces, and governments the world over about what constitutes torture?

Your opinion < the Army, the FBI, police forces, and most world governments

 

This is pretty insulting to our country now, and kind of ignorant. You were somewhat reasonable before writing this.

 

What's idiotic in the rationale for torture is that our armed forces stand the most to lose by watering down the Geneva Conventions. We have the most troops stationed anywhere.

 

It is not uncommon for Croatian Air Force to have 15 year Airmen.

 

Ahhh, of course he is foreign -- trained in the middle east no doubt.

 

you have it pegged.. I am in fact Croatian... just a little info for you though, Airman is a generic term for anyone (enlisted or officer) in the Air Force.

 

what is ignorant or insulting about this? are you aware of what we did to win that war? especially in the Pacific. If you think waterboarding is torture you really don't want to know some of the gruesome techniques we used back then to gain info. They had to do what they had to do to win the war.

 

How so? ask those who were captured by the Taliban if the Geneva Convention helped them at all.

 

You're not really Croat, you just had to join their Air Force after Greek Air Force could not longer pay bills...boohoo.

 

I'm sorry....why are y'all jumping on this guy? Did I miss something?

 

He's a former poster who hath returned from beyond. Probably not for the first time either.

I am not entirely certain as to which MPD line he belongs to precisely - but I have a feeling it may be to one of the largest login families in history. Maybe I'll just chew on some poprocks and ponder...

 

That is insulting. My own father served in the Pacific. While there were incidents of torture or even murder by U.S. servicemen, it was never the official policy to torture in order to win the war. It was not they way you portray it as some sort of regular strategy that we employed to win the war. For to insult the vets that served in the Pacific by insinuating this is an insult to their service and memory of those that aren't with us anymore.

Waterboarding was done by the Japanese to some of our troops. It was considered torture at the time. Our troops that had it done to them considered it torture.

 

Your statement was ignorant and simplistic. It's one thing to have an opinion about the "weak" minded nature of a population of a country, but to then say that today's USA would have fallen to the Nazis or Japanese is a pretty far-fetched and unreasonable position. It's insulting to every citizen of this great country. Do you honestly believe that? Seriously, you honestly believe that we would lay down to fascism? I think you were just going overboard to make impact or not thinking, but it's hard to take you seriously when you write those things.

 

Based on your experience, since intelligence information gained from waterboarding is questionable, what would be more effective at extracting retribution: waterboarding, electrocution, or something else?

 

I don't mean it to be insulting at all.. those guys had more guts than we do as a nation these days. the fact is this though.. most of the stuff we did to win WWII wouldn't fly these days. We fire bombed Japanese cities for MONTHS, indiscriminately killing anyone who was unfortunate enough to be there. We did the same thing in Germany too... just to a lesser extent. I don't think we would have won in the Pacific if we didn't make those tough decisions though. Lets also not forget how many people died when we dropped atomic bombs.. Non Combatants at that. My point was and is, that is what we had to do to win the war and we did... it's not pretty its not nice but it had to be done. I don't think our leaders today would have the stomache to do it. Oh and we did far worse than waterboard, and we won't talk about what the Japanese did because it was even worse than us. We (US Army) used to Water Cure people, don't know if we did it during WWII but I know for a fact we did in the Spanish-American war. Water Curing is far more dangerous and tortureous than waterboarding.

 

WTF are you talking about? I'm not a former poster at all.. I'm just someon who posts on PSD and got bored there because there was pretty much only idiots and kids. Whatever you want to think though, that's your perogative.

 

for absolutely no reason as far as i can tell

 

Did DaDakota finally get you kicked off spurs talk?

 

LOL, so beheading is a form of torture now, too? I'm sure they get lots of information out of that practice.