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NYT Interview with Egyptian President Morsi

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    Well, I didn't do much research, but surprisingly didn't find anything about attitudes in the general Muslim population regarding cartoons or Youtube videos. What I did find, though, are the attitudes towards the USA.

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    I would be surprised if the percentages for "wanting to see insults against the prophet outlawed worldwide" were much different, considering the central role Islam plays in people's lives in these countries (for which I can also post Pew surveys, if you are interested).

    Please post some examples of Muslim leaders saying that people should not get worked up because this is freedom of speech. Thanks in advance.

    First of all, I don't think that murderers and people who riot violently should be compared to the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street.

    Secondly, the silent majority usually holds opinions, too. They just don't express them as strongly.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    I found this study interesting:

    http://blog.journals.cambridge.org/2012/07/the-heart-of-anti-american-sentiment-in-muslim-countries/

    The Heart of Anti-American Sentiment in Muslim Countries


    The US struggle for hearts and minds in Muslim countries has been aiming at the wrong targets, a new study claims.

    The effort poured into diplomacy and public relations to counter anti-American sentiment among some Muslims has so far ignored the main source of their anti-US feeling – competing political factions in their own countries.

    In a groundbreaking study in the American Political Science Review (APSR) published by Cambridge University Press, Lisa Blaydes of Stanford and Drew A. Linzer of Emory University examine the views of thousands of Muslims across the Islamic world on American culture and American foreign policy for their paper, ‘Elite Competition, Religiosity, and Anti-Americanism in the Islamic World’.

    In a finding that could potentially have far-reaching effects for how the US shapes and conducts its outreach to Islamic countries, Blaydes and Linzer conclude that the main explanation for high levels of anti-American opinion in a given country depends, not as previously thought on Muslim perceptions of what America is culturally or what it does politically, but on the degree of competition between the political elites within that country itself.

    Policy-makers and the public often assume that the most religious and fundamentalist Islamic societies are most anti-American, but the research suggests this is incorrect: really anti-American Muslim societies tend to have strong secular groups.

    Analysis of a huge amount of survey data collected from 13,000 Muslims in 21 countries showed that those countries where people expressed the most anti-American views were also those where two powerful political elites (one Islamist and one secular) were competing fiercely with each other for supporters. In countries where this did not apply, the amount of anti-Americanism expressed was significantly lower.

    Blaydes and Linzer conclude that these battling political forces are prone to exploit grievances against the United States for political gain and, in the process, create a heightened sense of anti-American feeling among their citizens. Media outlets such as Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya also played a significant role, but Blaydes and Linzer’s central tenet is that competing national politicians are the main force behind high levels of hatred of America. Blaydes comments:

    “When the struggle for political control between two factions escalates, they both tend to ramp up anti-American appeals to boost their own mass support with the result that political debate in certain countries is more or less saturated with anti-American messages. This means that larger numbers of Muslims hear, consider, and are led to adopt anti-American attitudes.

    “Conversely we found that in Islamic countries where the battle for local supremacy has already been won by those who are more religious, neither side of the political divide had strong incentives to invoke grievances against the US to recruit supporters and hence the level of anti-Americanism among citizens was lower.”

    The implications for how US diplomacy goes about winning over public opinion in the most anti-American countries is clear, adds Linzer. They must find ways to counter the messages being put out by the competing political forces within those countries:

    “A core assumption made by those who advocate increasing investment in public diplomacy campaigns is that anti-Americanism stems from poor ‘strategic communication’ on the part of the US. The results of our study suggest, instead, that Muslim publics are highly responsive to messages from their own domestic elites and the media that report what they say about America. Any American-led effort to change the story in the most anti-American countries will have to find a way to counter the effects on Muslim minds of local politicians spouting anti-US rhetoric in order to bolster their own positions and win supporters.”

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    Interesting study. I am not sure I agree 100 % with the conclusions, but it is an interesting angle to look at it.

    In any case, I believe it contradicts Major's assumption that general opinion in the population is not reflected in what politicians in the countries say.

    I will remember to come back to this thread when the first surveys about popular sentiment in Muslim countries regarding freedom of speech/cartoons/Youtube videos regarding Muslims/their prophet pop up. We will see if Major's assumption is anywhere near reality. I am pretty sure it is not.
     
  3. Mathloom

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Morsi toCharlie Rose:I hope this visit is beginning of a relationship of mutual respect&amp;nonintervening(sic)in the affairs of the other party</p>&mdash; Hisham Melhem (@hisham_melhem) <a href="https://twitter.com/hisham_melhem/status/250459662531579904" data-datetime="2012-09-25T05:00:11+00:00">September 25, 2012</a></blockquote>

    Interesting.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    Morsi seems like a very interesting guy.

    I'm guessing not blaspheming the prophet just to piss people off is probably at the top of his mind. Obviously, we can't corral all our own people and make sure nobody's a jerk. But, there is obviously a cultural animosity that is going to make friendship between the US and Egypt difficult. I think the Obama administration is trying to do what it can to tell the Muslim world we respect Islam and to tell the American citizenry that we should. And, Morsi is dealing with the complementary problem in Egypt. It's like 2 buddies trying to get their wives to be friends with each other. You can tell your wife how great the other couple is, but if she can't get along, you probably won't be hanging out so much. And, with AQ on one side and Terry Jones on the other, it's like the wives have Tourette's.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    The US is not going to change its constitution on freedom of speech because people of another country get offended. Why can't the Egyptian president realise that there are 200+ million people in the US and there are bound to be idiots who post stupid videos?
     
  6. gwayneco

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    For Muslims, respect is a one way street.
     
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    What is this - 1972? There are 300+ million Americans.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    As much as you try, Terry Jones is not as bad as AQ - last I checked, he hasn't beheaded or blown up people. And your metaphorical examples are terrible.

    This.
     
  9. gwayneco

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    The moral relativism of the "progressive" West never ceases to amaze.
     

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