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[NYT] Health Care Law Ruled Unconstitutional

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by shastarocket, Dec 13, 2010.

  1. basso

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    as soon as we can force people to own car insurance just by virtue of being alive, you may have one.
     
  2. Ubiquitin

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    Would be nice...
     
  3. mc mark

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    The duce you say!

    Are you saying you don't expect impartiality from the US Supreme Court?!?!?
     
  4. Nolen

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    With profit motive, there is always incentive to increase costs.

    Why do other countries with single payer healthcare and other socialist variations provide better care for less money than the US does?
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    We force the ER to treat someone merely because they have an injury. The ER doesn't get to choose, neither should the person who will one day (most likely) use their services.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    your under no obligation to go to the hospital if you get cancer.... so see you don't have to go receive medical care.
     
  7. juicystream

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    But you have to pay for the insurance? If they want it to be required for all, do the single-payer system.
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    That's what many of us wanted, but the healthcare industry spent hundreds of millions of dollars derailing the effort...
     
  9. juicystream

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    Its not what a majority of Americans wanted though.
     
  10. mc mark

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    Why am I not surprised --

    Henry Hudson, Judge In Health Care Lawsuit, Has Financial Ties To Attorney General Bringing The Case

    But with power comes scrutiny. And as judgment day approaches, a Democratic source sends over judicial disclosure forms Hudson filed that could raise questions about his impartiality. From 2003 through 2008, Hudson has been receiving "dividends" from Campaign Solutions Inc., among other investments. In 2008, he reported income of between $5,000 and $15,000 from the firm. (Data from 2009 was not available at the Judicial Watch database.)

    A powerhouse Republican online communications firm, Campaign Solutions, has done work for a host of prominent Republican clients and health care reform critics, including the RNC and NRCC (both of which have called, to varying degrees, for health care reform's repeal). The president of the firm, Becki Donatelli, is the wife of longtime GOP hand Frank Donatelli, and is an adviser toformer Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, among others.

    Another firm client is Ken Cuccinelli, the Attorney General of Virginia and the man who is bringing the lawsuit in front of Hudson's court. In 2010, records show, Cuccinelli spent nearly $9,000 for Campaign Solutions services.

    Campaign Solutions did not immediately return a request for information on the judge's relationship with the company.
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    ...as a result of the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by the insurance industry to protect their $2.4 billion dollar cash cow.
     
  12. juicystream

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    I don't think that the reason. I think people naturally fear government involvement and taxes. People also fear change, and that would be a radical change for this country.
     
  13. Classic

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    Supporters of the HCR okay with certain waivers being granted to religious groups and big corps?

    I think I agree with single payer after seeing all the politics in this.
     
  14. da Whopper

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    Judge Hudson is a great American.
     
  15. mc mark

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    more from TPM --

    Just to remind everyone: the judge who declared part of the Health Care law unconstitutional today? He's a part owner of a GOP consulting firm that among other things represents Boehner, Bachmann, McCain and others who've spent the last two years arguing that reform was unconstitutional.
     
  16. rhadamanthus

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    I find this ruling hilariously awesome. Seriously.
     
  17. Phillyrocket

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    For the umpteenth time insurance does not work unless everyone in the pool is covered.

    If you are going to mandate ERs to treat those that do not pay then you must mandate citizens to carry coverage.

    Think if we forced body shops to fix cars even if you were uninsured? Those body shops would go broke in a week. Why do the hospitals do not go broke facing the same problem?

    Your tax dollars.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/CEA_Health_Care_Report.pdf

    As the number of uninsured rises, there is a corresponding increase in uncompensated care costs, which include costs incurred by hospitals and physicians for the charity care they provide to the uninsured as well as bad debt (for example, unpaid bills). Both the Federal government and state governments use tax revenues to pay health care providers for a portion of these costs through Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments, grants to Community Health Centers, and other mechanisms. In 2008, total government spending to reimburse uncompensated care costs incurred by medical providers was approximately $42.9 billion. In the absence of reform to slow the real growth rate of health spending and a subsequent rise in the uninsured, we project that the real annual tax burden of uncompensated care for an average family of four will rise from $627 in 2008 to $1,652 (in 2008 dollars) by 2030.


    No mandate = higher taxes

    Could have sworn Republicans were all about personal responsibility and wanting people to pay their bills. Until the government tries to enforce it anyway.
     
  18. basso

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    ah, so this is about individual responsibility for collectivist goals?
     
  19. Phillyrocket

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    No this is about common sense, hypocrisy and conservative self defeating logic.
     
  20. krosfyah

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    News Flash: Insurance is by defintion - SOCIALISM!

    Since you are a staunch "conservative", then I suggest you opt out of all your various insurance policies and save all your cash in a bank account so you have enough at any given moment to cover whatever misfortune you may have. If you don't do that, you are a SOCIALIST PIG!!!!

    ...but you better hurry up before this law goes into effect. ;)
     

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