1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[NYT] Does It Make Sense to Categorize People by Generation?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Dec 12, 2021.

  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,963
    Likes Received:
    111,160
    bad news for D&Ders

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/books/review/the-generation-myth-bobby-duffy.html

    book review:

    Does It Make Sense to Categorize People by Generation?
    By Tom Standage
    Dec. 8, 2021

    THE GENERATION MYTH
    Why When You’re Born Matters Less Than You Think
    By Bobby Duffy

    Why is it that making sweeping generalizations about people on the basis of gender, race, sexuality or nationality is unacceptable, but stereotyping them based on arbitrarily defined “generations” is totally fine? Millennials (roughly, those born between 1980 and 1995) have been demonized as narcissistic snowflakes who spend so much on avocado toast that they cannot afford to buy property. Baby boomers, meanwhile, are selfish, technophobic sociopaths who have stolen younger generations’ future. And so on. What is the reality behind such stereotypes, and is there any merit at all in seeing the world through a lens that is generational?

    These are the questions addressed by Bobby Duffy, a British social researcher, in “The Generation Myth.” The title gives the impression that he wants to dynamite the whole idea of dividing people into generations. In fact, he offers a careful dissection of such “generational thinking” that rejects lazy myths and superficial punditry in favor of a more nuanced analysis of the factors that shape long-term changes in attitudes and behavior. “A lot of what you’ve been told is generational,” he writes, “in fact isn’t.”

    Three separate mechanisms cause such long-term changes, Duffy argues. “Period effects” are experiences that affect everyone, regardless of age, such as the 2008 financial crisis or the coronavirus pandemic. “Life-cycle effects” are changes that occur as people age, or as a result of major events such as leaving home, getting married or having children. People tend to get heavier as they age, for example, regardless of which generation they belong to. Finally, “cohort effects” are the attitudes, beliefs and behaviors common to people of a particular generation.

    The problem with purely generational framing, in short, is that it focuses entirely on cohort effects, and misses out on the other two-thirds of the picture. Duffy takes this framework and applies it to a range of topics, from economics, housing and employment to sex, health and politics, merrily myth-busting as he goes.

    For example, it is often claimed that people in their 20s are fickle job-hoppers who do not stay loyal to employers. It is true that the young tend to change jobs voluntarily more often than their parents, but that has been true since the 1980s. Millennials actually turn out to be 20 percent to 25 percent less likely to switch jobs voluntarily than members of Generation X were at the same age, because secure, permanent jobs are scarcer than they used to be. So what we’re looking at here is a period, not a cohort, effect.

    Similarly, young people are said to be more purpose-driven and to care more about ethical sourcing of products. But international surveys show that millennials and members of Generation Z boycott products less frequently than baby boomers or members of Generation X do to protest corporate behavior.

    Some things really are generational, though. Successive generations are less religious, while religiosity within generations is roughly flat over time — a pretty clear-cut cohort effect. But many supposedly generational changes are in fact driven by growing financial inequality between the young and the old. Young people are leaving home later because they earn less than their parents did at the same age, and because housing has become far more expensive — not because they are snowflakes or narcissists. Accusing them of laziness mixes up period and cohort effects.

    Before reading this book, I assumed that generational analysis had no value whatsoever. Duffy shows that it actually does, provided it is done carefully. Alas, despite his valiant efforts, overgeneralizations are unlikely to go away. But whether you are a skeptic or a believer in the idea that a generational label has meaning, you will learn something from this amusing and informative book.

    Tom Standage is deputy editor of The Economist and the author of “A Brief History of Motion.”

    THE GENERATION MYTH
    Why When You’re Born Matters Less Than You Think
    By Bobby Duffy
    272 pp. Basic Books. $30.






     
    Deckard likes this.
  2. Andre0087

    Andre0087 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    8,347
    Likes Received:
    11,340
  3. KingLeoric

    KingLeoric Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    803
    We need more ways to categorize people.
     
  4. leroy

    leroy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    26,380
    Likes Received:
    9,616
    Maybe only the one that seems to think join date is a somehow important factor in something.
     
    Andre0087 and IBTL like this.
  5. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    43,406
    Likes Received:
    25,409
    Please don't trigger him to the point of triple posting the rest of the thread
     
    Deckard, bobrek and IBTL like this.
  6. leroy

    leroy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2002
    Messages:
    26,380
    Likes Received:
    9,616
    Sorry.
     
    Invisible Fan and bobrek like this.
  7. IBTL

    IBTL Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    12,180
    Likes Received:
    12,340
    If we are lucky it's only 3
     
  8. mikol13

    mikol13 Protector of the Realm
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2009
    Messages:
    13,827
    Likes Received:
    27,252
    I didn’t read it, but in before someone suggests 99ers should be a category.
     
    Deckard and Andre0087 like this.
  9. Ubiquitin

    Ubiquitin Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Messages:
    17,702
    Likes Received:
    12,186
    Ok boomer

    scooped.
     
  10. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    15,116
    Likes Received:
    2,148
    Not surprisingly there are categories that have some effects, but don't control everything. Additionally, period effects affect an entire cohort at the same time. So one can say Gen Y right now makes less money on average than Gen X. This is most likely a period effect, because you make more as you get older, but that doesn't make it untrue and comparing Gen X and Gen Y is an easy shorthand. Unless you are drawing some cohort conclusion from a period effect, it is a meaningless distinction. Men are convicted of more violent crimes than women, per capita. Violent criminals are convicted of more violent crimes per capita than the average man. That doesn't invalidate the other comparison, it is just another category that has its own bearing on the same measure.
     
  11. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,963
    Likes Received:
    111,160
  12. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    28,469
    Likes Received:
    43,687
    Os Trigonum likes this.
  13. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,963
    Likes Received:
    111,160
    did you ever find the love you were looking for?
     
  14. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    28,469
    Likes Received:
    43,687
    [​IMG]

    There is no end for the search I'm searching.
     
    Os Trigonum likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now