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[NYT] Conservatives Make a List to Measure Candidates’ Commitment

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  1. kpsta

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    Conservatives Make a List to Measure Candidates’ Commitment

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/us/politics/24repubs.html

    By JIM RUTENBERG and ADAM NAGOURNEY

    Published: November 23, 2009

    WASHINGTON — A group of conservative Republican leaders is proposing a solution to the internecine warfare over what the party should stand for: a 10-point checklist gauging proper adherence to core principles like opposing government financing for abortion and, more generally, President Obama’s “socialist agenda.”

    In what was being dubbed a purity test when it leaked out to reporters on Monday, the proposal would require the party to withhold campaign money and endorsements from candidates who do not adhere to at least seven principles on the checklist.

    While it is unclear whether the test will be adopted when it is put up for consideration before the Republican National Committee early next year, its drafting is a striking example of the intensified internal debate among Republicans about how best to handle pressure from conservatives to move the party more to the right and to recapture control of Congress and the White House.

    Its introduction increases pressure on the party chairman, Michael Steele, as he tries to maintain a balance between those in his party who have been saying the road to a Republican comeback is to include divergent views and appeal to the political center, and those who say the party needs to more fully embrace conservative principles.

    But it was also likely to inflame moderate party members who have been urging the party to resist pressure from activists — spurred by commentators like Glenn Beck on the Fox News Channel and leaders of the diffuse Tea Party movement — to move against those deemed insufficiently conservative or lose their grass-roots support altogether.

    Gail Gitcho, a spokeswoman for the committee, said it was not clear what Mr. Steele would do about the proposed checklist. The list was in a resolution devised by a group of 10 conservative committee members who will introduce it when the party gathers for an annual conference in Hawaii in January.

    “The problem is that many conservatives have lost trust in the conservative credentials of the Republican Party,” said James Bopp Jr., a committee member from Indiana who is the chief sponsor of the resolution. “So the task is to restore our conservative bona fides.”

    The resolution was immediately embraced by Dick Armey, the former Republican House majority leader whose well-financed conservative group, FreedomWorks, has helped organize much of the protest against Democratic health care legislation and Mr. Obama’s spending plans.

    “The Republican Party knows it has to repair its standing with the American people,” Mr. Armey said. “If you listen to the voters’ anger out there, I think they’re saying, ‘We want the Republican Party to define themselves as a real alternative to the Democrat Party.’ ”

    Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform whose antitax pledge has become generally required signing for Republican candidates, said he was concerned that the proposal would lead the national party to step in where voters should.

    “The party has a platform, and that platform and the pieces of it are enforced by primary voters,” Mr. Norquist said. “I think orthodoxy should be imposed from below not above.” Still, he said, forced adherence to 7 of the 10 principles listed “strikes me as eminently reasonable.”

    The principles in the resolution include fairly basic proclamations, like “We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges,” along with trickier propositions that have bedeviled the party, like one opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants — a form of which President George W. Bush was accused of supporting.

    The resolution also calls for “Republican solidarity in opposition to Obama’s socialist agenda,” specifically citing the climate change “cap and trade” proposal and “government-run health care.”

    The list was clearly influenced by the divisive Congressional race in upstate New York this fall, when conservative activists deemed the Republican nominee for the seat, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, too liberal and instead supported a third-party candidate, Douglas L. Hoffman.

    Under conservative pressure, Ms. Scozzafava withdrew from the race but supported the Democratic nominee, Bill Owens, whose victory removed the seat from Republican hands for the first time in more than 100 years.

    On first blush Ms. Scozzafava said she found the new proposal “ridiculous,” though she said she would have to read it in full before drawing a final conclusion. “I’m not a big fan of pledges,” she said in an interview, “because things don’t always fit through a keyhole and governing isn’t always that easy.”

    The resolution dictates that Republican candidates’ adherence to the principles be determined through their public statements, voting records or signed questionnaires.

    Mr. Bopp said reaction among fellow committee members had “run the whole gamut of enthusiastic support to opposition.” But, he added, some opponents had suggested changes that would earn their support. “I think we will get a resolution through.”

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    Seriously? This can't be good for Repubs...
     
  2. mc mark

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    What's really funny is that Olbermann did a story on this last night and concluded that, according to the 10 point check list, Ronnie Reagan would not pass and would be considered a Democrat (which, in fact, he was).
     
  3. kpsta

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    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/11/rnc-conservatives-call-for-uni.html?wprss=44

    By the way, here's the proposed oath:


    WHEREAS, President Ronald Reagan believed that the Republican Party should support and espouse conservative principles and public policies; and

    WHEREAS, President Ronald Reagan also believed the Republican Party should welcome those with diverse views; and

    WHEREAS, President Ronald Reagan believed, as a result, that someone who agreed with him 8 out of 10 times was his friend, not his opponent; and

    WHEREAS, Republican faithfulness to its conservative principles and public policies and Republican solidarity in opposition to Obama's socialist agenda is necessary to preserve the security of our country, our economic and political freedoms, and our way of life; and

    WHEREAS, Republican faithfulness to its conservative principles and public policies is necessary to restore the trust of the American people in the Republican Party and to lead to Republican electoral victories; and

    WHEREAS, the Republican National Committee shares President Ronald Reagan's belief that the Republican Party should espouse conservative principles and public policies and welcome persons of diverse views; and

    WHEREAS, the Republican National Committee desires to implement President Reagan's Unity Principle for Support of Candidates; and

    WHEREAS, in addition to supporting candidates, the Republican National Committee provides financial support for Republican state and local parties for party building and federal election activities, which benefits all candidates and is not affected by this resolution; and

    THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Republican National Committee identifies ten (10) key public policy positions for the 2010 election cycle, which the Republican National Committee expects its public officials and candidates to support:

    (1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama's "stimulus" bill;

    (2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;

    (3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;

    (4) We support workers' right to secret ballot by opposing card check;

    (5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;

    (6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;

    (7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;

    (8) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;

    (9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing, denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and

    (10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership; and be further

    RESOLVED, that a candidate who disagrees with three or more of the above stated public policy positions of the Republican National Committee, as identified by the voting record, public statements and/or signed questionnaire of the candidate, shall not be eligible for financial support and endorsement by the Republican National Committee; and be further

    RESOLVED, that upon the approval of this resolution the Republican National Committee shall deliver a copy of this resolution to each of Republican members of Congress, all Republican candidates for Congress, as they become known, and to each Republican state and territorial party office.

    Chief Sponsor:
    James Bopp, Jr. NCM IN

    Sponsors:
    Avie Axdahl NCW MN
    Donna Cain NCW OR
    Cindy Costa NCW SC
    Demetra Demonte NCW IL
    Peggy Lambert NCW TN
    Carolyn McLarty NCW OK
    Pete Rickets NCM NE
    Steve Scheffler NCM IA
    Helen Van Etten NCW KA
    Solomon Yue NCM OR

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    It's interesting that while, according to the oath, Reagan would have considered someone who agrees 8 of 10 times a friend, and not his opponent... this proposal goes with a 7 of 10 grading system - as if that somehow shows they're being less exclusionary.
     
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    This just pisses me off. ******* liars and hypocrites.

    What does this even mean? What is "victory"?
     
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    A flag themed banner on a carrier where the President lands by fighter jet.
     
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    ...off the coast of California.
     
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    It's not a terrible idea. But, I can't help but notice how much they define themselves by their opposition to things. They oppose: "Obama's" (lol) stimulus bill, Obama-style government-run healthcare, cap-and-trade (which is market-based, but whatever), card check, amnesty, health-care rationing, government-funded abortion, and restrictions on gun ownership. It's not a very positive message when you sound like a crotchety old man complaining about how the world is going to hell in a handbasket nowadays.

    Sure, they are the minority party at the moment, so they can't really be championing a lot of stuff. That makes this list either very short-term, or else they expect to remain a minority party for a long time. I would think a list of bona fides would focus more on philosophical tenets that could stand the test of time; at least more than a couple of years.
     
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    the party of NO
     
  10. SamFisher

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    That's because the whole modern conservative movement is about that - it's Seinfeld, a show about nothing (or removing government). The problem is that eventually you achieve nothing and remove the government, and then have nowhere to go from there. Then you look triply stupid when things go wrong and the magic marketplace doesn't come up with a better solution - which it frequently doesn't. You can't just cut taxes forever and ever, evenutally you reach a point where you can't. (btw we are at that point, of course that hasn't stopped the drive for more reckless tax cuts).
     
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    Where do we sign?
     
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    Republican solidarity in opposition to Obama’s socialist agenda
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    How can you not support this ?
     
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    1) yes, but i don't trust that you do
    2) yes
    3) yes
    4) N/A
    5) kinda
    6) please define victory
    7) mostly
    8) not really
    9) somewhat
    10) yes

    i see this 'list' as full of fail. if they're trying to duplicate the '94 election, try getting a leader, and making a list that is actually important to the voting public rather than just opposing any ideas the democrats put up.
     
  14. jo mama

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    modern conservatives only want limited government/fiscal responsibility when its democrats in charge. they dont seem to mind when its their guy expanding the federal government or spending more than all previous presidents combined...in fact, at the time if you criticized their guy for this stuff you were called unpatriotic.

    i would say their love of small government and fiscal responsibility only became an issue sometime after late january 2009.
     
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    I've been reading how they've been trying to recapture the "magic" of Newt's 'Contract With America'. I assume this is it. I also assume they will fail to uphold the contract as horribly as they did the first time around.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    not really - look at what the plan was for Iraq - the magic marketplace will magically replace the government that wasn't there, democracy and markets would flourish, and the war would pay for itself, the troops would be home within "weeks, not months" Look at the abdication of authority at FEMA in 2005 - the plan to implement small government worked. It might not have been cheap, as the plan was actually more about the abdication of responsibility than of dollars, but a lot of it was implemented.
     
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    Dick Armey embraces the resolution, LOL

    The nineties called, they want their wingnut house leader back.

    seriously, this stuff of defining the party is their first problem. its become like perverse cult. its like those people living in the mormon groups who still believe in polygamy, trying remain to true to the "pure" tenants.
     
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    I don't know why Dems don't go on the attack more on this marketplace nonsense. you're totally right, they tried to apply the philosophy in Iraq, with the tax cuts, etc.

    the thing that bugs me the most is on this healthcare debate, now people in the media have gotten religion and are concerning themselves on how to pay for everything.

    where were you on paying for Iraq, on tax cuts, on pescription drug benefits. are you freakin kidding me. now the democrats want to eat their own on fiscal responsibility when they let bush and the republican controlled congress run wild.
     
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    Could America sue them for breach of that contract or has the Statute of Limitations run out (SOL)...
     
  20. jo mama

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    i was thinking more along the lines of stuff like the department of fatherland...i mean homeland security, the patriot act, illegal wiretapping, infringement on our civil liberties, bush's tripling of the federal government - these are all measures which increased the federal government - none of that has anything to do w/ limited government and mainstream "conservatives" didnt seem to mind when bush/cheney did all this stuff - infact, if you dared criticize them for it you were labeled anti-american.

    i see iraq as more an issue of war profiteering (corporatism/fascism) than an issue of small vs. big government. and there is nothing free market about no-bid contracts (that coincidentally went to cheney's former company).

    and hasnt obama also increased the role of private contractors in iraq?

    as far as fiscal policy, george w. bush was the biggest fiscal liberal to ever serve as president.
     

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