[NYDailyNews] Rockets Offer Brooks And Battier For Rubio

I think Rubio is the next big thing, but to give up Brooks and Battier for him at this point would be stupid unless we are blowing up the team.

DD

 

i've always said he's going to be a good player (starting material in this L). he does have talent. his court vision is pretty amazing (with VERY nice flashy passes ala the white chocolate earlier in his career that wowed EVERY arena that the kings played in). but i believe his lack of athleticism, not quick first step, poor shooter (esp. for a guy coming from Europe-pau gasol says he's terrible right now at shooting/offense)...

Pau Gasol did not make him out to be the next great point guard and besides all the crap Pistol Pete comparisons I have seen very little detailed information on what Rubio will do in the NBA.--remember, pau actually has played with him for several years and is currently playing with a superstar himself.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/15719853

but you know when a player is a superstar material. you just see it the moment you watch them. i don't see that with rubio. again, it may be a difference in opinion and let's agree to disagree.

remember MANY teams were high on darko and that forced detroit to pick him at #2. the knicks were ridiculously high on him at the time. he was hailed as the hybrid b/t kg and dirk.

 

....I don't know - Battier didn't have a very good year last year. You can interpret that as an "off" year but you could also interpret that as part of a decline in his skills. If Morey sees Shane's production on the decline and his value worth more than his production, than it makes perfect sense why he would be mentioned in trade rumors. After the much talked about Times article highlighting Shane as statistically being a winner, and the hype that went with that, I don't think it's a stretch to think Morey is hoping people overvalue Shane(and AB for that matter) to allow Morey to upgrade a roster spot.

 

and trust me, i would do this trade if i know rubio was going to be a superstar. again, morey is the GM and he is thinking rubio has franchise player-material. nothing we can do to judge this trade until 4-5 years later if it does indeed happen.

 

Or this?

 

Not necessarily. Lowry can take on the starting PG role assuming Rubio is not ready or is staying in Spain, and there are opportunities to fill the backup PG role (again, assuing Rubio is not gonna be in rotation for one reason or another) and find somone to fill Battier's shoes somewhat well through free agency or trade (Jamario Moon is a FA, for example, and one would imagine that James Posey would be avaialble for expiring contract(s) if we want to take on his 33-year old ass).


If they really do believe in the Rubio kid and think he'll be thr franchise PG for the next 10 (or maybe 15 or 20, if he lasts as long as a Stockton or even Nash) years, it's perfectly reasonable to make the move and deal with the consequences.

 

Absolutely. I have no problem with "selling high", as a matter of fact, as a trader, I am required to. However, Rubio would not be an upgrade for next year. IMO Rubio will be a star eventually, however the discrepancy between his perceived value right now and his production next year is much larger than the overvaluation of Brooks and Battier. If anything, you should be selling high on Rubio. Which is what I think Morey intends to do if we manage to acquire him.

 

To be fair, Morey hasn't really been forced or had the need to make any really big moves either. Our core of Mcgrady and Yao was already together when he got here, so he made these low-risk moves knowing that he didn't have to take any gambles since the core was set.

Now with Mcgrady all but removed from the core, we are left with Yao and potentially a declining Ron Artest. It's getting close to time to add another big piece to that core, and it's hard to do that with low-risk/high-reward moves. Look at what a couple of the previous champions have done (excluding the Lakers who were given Pau Gasol) - the Celtics added KG and Ray Allen, the Heat a few years ago added Shaq, and the Pistons before that added Rasheed. The Spurs were the exception, striking gold with both Parker and Ginobili so they didn't have to take any serious gambles.

We could just stand pat and keep adding little pieces and *hope* Yao stays healthy and can carry us to a title, or we can make a big move and hope it works out. I'm not saying either way is the best way to go, because that's the ultimate dilemma that Morey has to deal with. This also isn't saying Rubio is our Rasheed or Shaq, but the trade(s) that might follow could be the equivalent. Either way, this is probably our best opportunity to make a big move.

 

I've been reading between the lines DaDa I and I'm sure Morey is trying to begin a shift to rebuilding. Trading Battier raises that flag. I wouldn't mind it if we FINALLY had a potential All World PG.

 

This is one trade that I don't really regret getting rejected for.

 

they already came out and said they had ZERO interest in tmac, they dont need brooks, what promising young player can we give them? Landry? His ceiling is approaching quickly...we don't have what they wanted, if we did then we'd have carter by now..

 

I've never seen so much hype about a rookie that nobody really knows much about.

Even the players that we watched here in college...Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Jordan, Drexler, Worthy, Perkins, Bias, Laethner, Hill etc.


Those were some of the greatest college players ever, and I don't think teams were offering to trade proven, better players to acquire them...its ridiculous how much hype this Rubio kid is getting after one good play at the olympics.

Not to mention, he did have talent around him...Marc and Pau gasol, Rudy Fernandez, Sergio Rodriguez, and Juan Carlos Navarro were all on the Spanish team.

He probably won't have such a talent stacked team in the NBA.

This is definetily the first time that an international player (who didn't play college ball here) is getting this type of hype as well.

Yao had SO MANY questions surrounding him, even though he had a nice World Championship run with China in the summer of 2002.

Tony Paker was not expected to be anything, same with Nowitzki, Ginobili, Peja, Gasol, Hedo, and Okur.

None of those guys were either undersized or lacked athleticism. They atleast had one or the other, if not both.

Rubio is undersized, weak, very young, and isn't all that athletic. He may be very skilled, but in todays NBA, dribbling skills and passing skills will only take you so far. If Steve Nash couldn't shoot, he wouldn't be nearly as effective, same with CP3 and Dwill.

Without the shooting threat, how is Rubio supposed to get by his man...without strength, how will he be able to finish at the basket. How does he play in a half court set...we even saw Nash, a 2x MVP struggle with that last year with Shaq.


Honestly, I think he is WAYY too overhyped for a draft pick. Maybe its due to the weak draft, but I think this hype is just ridiculous. Maybe if he stays overseas for a couple of years, it might help, but right now, I don't see him being an all star or a top tier point guard until he improves his shot, atheticism and strength.

 

The rockets shoud have traded for the #5 pick.

 

I'm with the Blackknight on this one. I could easily be proven wrong, but I've been watching b-ball for 30 years, and I've seen several "can't miss" prospects, from both the overseas arena and the college ranks who just never quite hit the NBA too well.

I'm not saying he stinks -- he's a great prospect. But to call him the next big thing is a little odd.

 

I do agree that we need a big move. However I do not think it necessarily has to be high risk.

To expand on my previous point, I forgot about the biggest low risk high reward Morey move of all, Ron Artest. If he didn't work out, it was a one year contract so we were not tied up. It was only for Bobby Jackson and some very low 1st rounders. And if it did pan out, he helps us win a championship or atleast contend.

This is also an example of a move that is Big, but at the same time low risk.

 

This is just unbelievable!

 

Haven't seen Rubio myself, but going after him would definitely point toward the team prepping to go into a rebuilding mode, since he is no where near ready or equipped to be a PG that can lead us that far into the playoffs.

But I can't really trust reports like this myself. With Rubio's family coming out against the team, his current European team demanding 6 million immediately to let him play and his very young age, I doubt that the T-Wolves would really stick to their claim that they would definitely have Rubio play as the starting PG of their team regardless of offers.

 

I meant weight wise...he's really thin and scrawny.

But our point are undersized too, so I do understand where your coming from...

 

If Morey and the rockets think Rubio is the next player that they can build around, they should go after him at any cost.

 

totally, I trust Morey and if he thinks Rubio is going to be the real deal they should go after him hard. battier is good but with artest we don't really need him. Brooks has limited potential.