NY Times: Rockets preparing to offer Martin and Knicks draft picks for Carmelo

If you are the Nuggets, why would you trade him to a Western Conference team? This guy is too good to deal with 4 times a year and then face in the playoffs. I see them probably waiting it out and trade him at the February deadline where there will be more offers.

This year will probably be wasted.

I'm not geting my hopes up that he's going to the Rockets because the chances of that happening look mighty slim unless a 3rd team is miraculously involved and has the pieces that Denver specificly wants

 

This. Plus Martin can score with the best of them, including Melo, and is more efficient than all of them. Martin can score in bunches with the least touches and attempts. He is also a scorer who gets his points in the flow of the offense, unlike Melo.

I thought the Rockest would have at least one season without a diva. Come on DM, don't do it!

 

Depending on what else is sent with Kevin, this would be absolutely fantastic. We finally add that top tier star, that closer, that guy that puts us over the top.

A legit four-some of offensive options; Carmelo, Yao, Aaron, and Luis. Defensively with Battier, Lee, and Lowry we'd still be strong on the perimeter. And sadly, even Carmelo is a better defender than Kevin.

I think if we can pull this off, we won't need to pursue Damp, and we find a good backup C besides Miller.

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Andersen would be a very good backup in the defensive standpoint, which we sorely need, whenever he gets back from injury though he would not be a Morey type of contract to acquire. Due to age, and injuries, etc.

However, I have enough faith in Morey to somehow get Melo at an affordable rate since the ball is in our hands(if reports are true Melo won't re-up in NJ, and denver doesn't want to work with NYK), and land a defensive big. If we get Melo, that's all we need otherwise. Yao, Scola, Miller are very competent offensively, almost overpowerful, but defensively it's the worse pick & roll. Chuckie is tremendous 1 on 1 defense, but we have no legit shot blocker. That's something that'll hurt.

Chuckie is meant for spot, positional minutes against like Gasol for 12-15mpg when we play the Lakers, or Duncan for 12-15mpg. He's not a consisten part of the rotation that Andersen could be along with miller that'll protect the paint. We lack interior defense with Yao playing 1/2 the game, and lack pick & roll defense.

 

Hope bidness picks up.

 

They do, they can deal with any team they like. I'm not saying that Denver is going to get the all time greatest deal. But i would assume that the new GM isn't a complete douche, and can make some decent decisions.

And yes, i'm more than willing to bet there are a few teams willing take the gamble on Melo for one season.

I'm not saying Houston isn't in the running, but Houston isn't the only viable option either.

 

Not going to happen, nj could offer much more. Plus nothing guarantees those picks will be good.

 

It's not all speculation. It's pretty well established by Melo's own actions and comments such as at his wedding that he wants to go to NY. The exact extent of that preference you're right is mainly speculation.

Yeah Melo is so versatile he can play off the ball. But Martin's quick step and willingness to play off other players make him a better off the ball player. Melo's FG% is actually a little bit better than Martin's but I think when when Melo comes into a lineup everyone else basically has to make a lot of room for him. It's going to be hard to involve both Yao and Melo in plays while Martin can naturally play off Yao and vice versa.

The primary benefit for Houston is that Melo will be the go-to guy at the end of games no question if Melo comes. The downside is that Melo will be the go-to guy at the end of games. If you believe in Carmelo's maturity and talent it's a good thing. If you dont then it's a dangerous thing.

And Martin + picks for Melo isn't Denver's offer it's Houston's (starting) offer. It could take a lot more.

 

You did just say that SOME team will give up their "respective soul" for Melo. And thinking that Melo has no leverage whatsoever here is simply incorrect.

 

I sincerely hope you aren't comparing Kevin to Carmelo on a straight up basis. There's nothing to compare. If you GENUINELY believe Kevin Martin is a superior player to Carmelo Anthony, you need to log out and never sign back into these boards. You're bringing the IQ regarding basketball knowledge down of these boards.

Now is Kevin a superior scorer? More efficient, etc.?

I think he's more efficient, I think he's a better long-distance shooter. I don't think he's a better offensive player though. Carmelo's the more prolific scorer, a better clutch player, and more demanding of other team's defenses. And yes, drawing fouls is huge--Kevin does it damn well, exceptional in fact--but Carmelo does it nearly as good, too.

With Carmelo & Yao, we have two of the best low-post players at their respective positions. Two legit 20ppg options(obviously not this year with Yao, but in the playoffs...yes.) and finally a legitimate closer. A guy you put the ball in his hand's during the closing moments to finish games. That's what we lack. A superstar--which we'll progress from a star to a superstar in Kevin to Melo hopefully.

Melo didn't even go public. Didn't make a show, didn't opt for that contract that Dwyane, LeBron, and Chris did. He's hardly a "diva". He doesn't demand this or that.

 

Seriously, DD. Please stop. You'll get "the same production" out of Martin as you'd get with Melo Man Ace? That is insanity. I want to smoke the same stuff you're having, because it would make the world allllrrrriiiiight....

It takes superstars to win titles. Someone wrote an excellent long post about that last year analyzing NBA champions over the last 30 years. Sure, there are exceptions, like the '04 Pistons, but those are the severe aberrations that prove the rule. Even in college, Villanova beat Georgetown in 1985, but if you ask anyone which team they'd rather have, it's no contest.

 

Based on what? We are discussing THIS current situation, Melo does not hold the cards...He would if he was a free agent which he is not. We are discussing this trade possibility right now, Denver can if they choose to, send Melo to the Clippers if they want to, and Melo can't do anything about it, until NEXT year. That's when Melo holds the cards, not at this time. Then he can say, i'm not signing here, I'm going to NY.

Denver, if they are smart is going to get max return for Melo.

 

will this really happen?

 

RP,

I'm not saying Denver isn't going to take what Melo wants into consideration, I'm sure they will. I'm simply stating that Denver does not have to send Melo to NJ or NY, they can by all effective means send Melo to any destination that makes the best deal for Denver if they so desire.

 

Mello coming to Houston make sense...since we have Coca Scola and Chow Ming and Shane Butter and Bread Miller.

 

So I guess the reports from Morey about not trading Martin was just a smokescreen? The offer from Nets is more enticing to the Nuggets, so it makes no sense to me to dangle someone who was supposedly not going to be traded plus a couple of draft picks.

 

I beg to differ. If Melo chose not to sign extension...will Clippers trade for him?? Don't think so! So Melo do get to say where he wants to go.

 

OH GOD NO!... Trading Martin for Melo will not make the Rockets that much better. Especially if it means almost 10 mil more in salary we would have to give him. We have the leverage now, why give it up?

 

Martin is an efficient scorer because he draws fould and is a 90% free throw shooter.

WITH THAT SAID...

In the playoffs do you honestly think Martin is going to get half the calls he gets in the regular season? NO.

This idea that Martin is an efficient scorer is blown out of proportion and especially when it comes to playoff time it will be irrelevant. You need healthy superstars to win in the playoffs.

With Melo's track record, he fits that bill.

 

Lost in the first round every year but one......nice track record.

DD