I know Cat's his friend and all, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind if he just played w/ Steve and Yao. Even if Portland is even listening to our offers, they probably don't want anything to do w/ MoT or Cato. MoT is the exact image they are trying to get rid of, they probably don't want Cato back, especially with a much higher price tag. However, other teams might be very interested in Cato. Every single team in the leauge could use a legitimate C, and some teams need a C badly enough to give up some nice deals. Mobley/Cato will get you more for Mobley/MoT.
Sane - A lot depends on timing. Wallace makes ~$17m (I've seen $16.2m quoted, but I really think it's closer to $17m). Cato currently makes ~$7.3m. Add in a ~$6.9m TE and you get ~$14.2m. Not enough to match Wallace's current contract. However, when the 2004-05 contracts kick in, Cato jumps to ~$7.9m and that plus the TE totals ~$14.9m. Clearly an amount in the high end of Wallace's expectations. So the next dominoes are 1) Can POR sign better FA player with the $6m-$8m they get if Wallace walks? or 2) Will another team put a better offer than Cato or a potential $6m-$8m FA signing in front of them? or 3) If the Rockets would really part with Cato and POR isn't all that thrilled, is there another team (probably an EC team) that has an abundance of SF's or SG's that would like a Center? Obviously, POR would need to have an interest in those SF's and/or SG's. #3 ties in nicely with your Foster and Al Harrington example. I did not run the numbers, but if Indy preferred Mo T to Croshere, there's your trade scenario. Harrington and Foster to POR, Cato and Taylor to Indy and a re-signed Wallace and Croshere to Houston. And having the TE facilitates this. There are a lot of possibilities and they increase markedly if the Blazers really want to get rid of Ruben Patterson packaged with Rasheed's SnT. IOW, POR may not be all that excited about the offer for Wallace, but would listen to it harder if the trade partner(s) would also take Patterson. Patterson makes less than the TE. What the Blazers want combined with what Rasheed will accept. That's the $64k question. And if Wallace isn't traded by the Feb trade deadline, all of this will playout after the Charlotte expansion draft alters the FA landscape. Charlotte is allowed to take up to 1 player from each team. Any restricted FA they pick and don't sign becomes an unrestricted FA. I like Wallace as well which is obviously why I went through all the CBA arithmatic with you. And I get pretty annoyed at the those who want to prematurely close the book on the Rice/Amaechi trade and give it a failing grade. This summer is going to be a very interesting one as far as player movement and the Rockets will be very capable of participating should they desire to reassess their personnel needs.
Sane - I don't normally do this...maybe it's an anti-depressant after the BOS loss.... Best case scenario: * Rasheed does not want to sign with UTA, DEN or the LAC. * For whatever reasons, no one puts a substantial SnT offer in front of POR for a player they really want. * In the absence of SnT's (remember both POR and Wallace have to agree), not wanting DEN, UTA or LAC and not wanting MLE money, Wallace agrees to a $6.9m SnT while POR gets a Rockets future 1st. POR gets their cap space and a pick. I know...pretty far-fetched...the Celtic loss was a tough one since DAL and DEN both lost! I needed this...
Are you sure? Chandler's numbers are barely better than Kenny Thomas's. And the numbers are lower vs the WC. Plus he's been injured..what's up with that? http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tyson_chandler/game_by_game_stats.html Since Chandler's on his rookie contract, the Rox would probably have to eat Antonio Daniels' $12+m salary as well. Assuming Yao and Steve are untouchable, Mobley, Cato, and Taylor won't net Chandler and Davis IMO.
No sh*t. We should have learned our lesson from Eddie Griffin. Stick it out with this team, and maybe we'll get lucky in the 2004 draft. Rashweed Wallace is a cancer.
Some great points GATER. However, I definitely against paying Rasheed Wallace HIS MAX. Nothing more than 10M IMO, that's the way we should go. The Indiana deals work great, but ofcourse its assuming that the Pacers don't go all the way and beat the West in the Finals, which they are more likely to do than any other East team in the past 6 years. That's why I was skeptical with my offer as well. However, if they lose anywhere in the playoffs, there's no doubt they'll go after a big Center, someone better than Pollard or Foster. They also need a backup 2, which is why I think the Cato/Pike package would look very appealing to them, especially since they still have Croshere and Bender backing up the 3. In the end, if what everyone is saying's true, then I think Wallace will ask to be traded here, and Portland will do it for ANY sort of draft consideration. Portland don't lose anything, not even cap space in that case, so it's basically something like a processing fee. Is there anywhere Wallace would rather be than Houston? JVG, Steve, Cat and Yao? Chances are, if we say "We want you on our team", they'll get something done, and that's what I'm banking on.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...7dec07,0,6678063.column?coll=sfla-sports-heat "As they were leaving the practice facility Wednesday, the morning of their final shootaround together, Wells and (Blazers forward Rasheed) Wallace saw Ruben Boumtje Boumtje shooting jump shots some 100 feet away with his back turned to them. "Wallace slapped Wells on the back and said, `Watch this.' Then he picked up a ball, reared back and fired a 100-foot, baseball-style strike that left Boumtje Boumtje writhing on the floor. Trainers were summoned. After a few scary minutes, Boumtje Boumtje walked off, OK. "Wells and Wallace? "They giggled like schoolchildren and ran away the moment their teammate hit the canvas." THIS is the perfect complement to Yao?
maybe sheed can bring out the attitude in yao...haha, hopefully he will come here as a free agent. i probably see him goin to dallas though.
Their salary wont match! We need to throw in another big contract like Cato plus cash. Trade Yao, I'm tired of Yao as well.
Wallace is playing the worst ball of his career this year. Look at his stats. Why are we considering this? So many better prospects out there.
He's lost motivation and confidence while also playing out of position. They've asked him to play second fiddle to Randolph, and quite frankly, I don't see how he can continue to put forth 100% effort when his GM has, on many occasions, publicly stated that he's up for grabs at the right price.
Not to mention that they have him playing out of position mostly. Randolph is getting the most minutes at the 4 so they have Wallace playing the Small Forward and jacking up 3's all day. Ladies and gentlemen: we have a winner. I like that statement, Sane. It brings to mind a hypothetical situation in which Yao is livened up by Sheed and Wallace chills out a little in accordance to Van Gundy's rule. Wouldn't that be great.
Guys, there is no way that Rasheed, with his play-my-own-game don't-care-about-you attitude is going to fit in with JVG's near military style.
DallasThomas, That's EXACTLY what I had in my mind. Think about Rasheed when he grabs those alley oops and throws them down with authority and gets a technical for screaming. He hasn't been motivated enough to do that much this year, but it always puts a spring in his team's step. I remember seeing the fire in this guy's eyes, when he'd grab those crucial rebounds by soaring into the air and ripping them down. The guy plays Duncan straight up, and I don't have the stats now, but I think I recall that they're almost identical in head-to-head matchups. Absolut Rox Fan & robbarnett, JVG publicly said that he loves Sheed's game and would love to have him on his team. He also said that he thinks Rasheed is one of the top PF's in the entire league, and that his deefnse + passing are very underrated. To me that indicates that Rasheed would fit in DAMN well with Yao, Steve, Cat and especially JVG. I know for sure that playing on a team of his choice with a coach that supports him 100% will bring him back to being one of the best PF's in the league.
