[NY Daily News] Knicks still eyeing Melo, Rockets possibly helping?

He's probably a PF now due to his increased bulk... but in the past he has been pushed around at the 4. If he can get a little stronger, he can probably be a power forward.

 

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Team 2: Denver Nuggets
Team 3: New York Knicks
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Trade Exceptions:
Houston Rockets Payroll

$73,585,566
Cap Room

-$15,541,566
Player
Salary
PER
Being Traded To

A. Randolph$1,965,720$1.9M 18.7
PF6 0 1 Year

Being Traded To

A. Iguodala$12,345,250$12.3M 17.8
SG2 0 4 Years

Acquiring 2 Players
$14,310,970$14.3M
Houston Rockets Roster

Being Traded To A. Anderson -1.7G3 0 Being Traded To S. Battier$7,354,400$7.3M 11.1SF5 0 1 Year Being Traded To Aaron Brooks$2,016,692$2.0M 16.0PG1 0 1 Year Being Traded To C. Budinger$780,871$780.8K 14.1SF5 0 2 Years Being Traded To J. Eglseder N/AC9 0 Being Traded To Mike Harris$854,389$854.3K 7.2SF5 0 1 Year Being Traded To Chuck Hayes$1,972,500$1.9M 11.7C9 0 1 Year Being Traded To Denver Nuggets Jordan Hill$2,669,520$2.6M 15.1F7 0 1 Year Being Traded To Philadelphia 76ers J. Jeffries$6,883,800$6.8M 9.8PF6 0 1 Year Being Traded To A. Johnson$885,120$885.1K N/ASF5 0 1 Year Being Traded To Courtney Lee$1,352,640$1.3M 12.9SG2 0 1 Year Trade/ClaimRestriction Expires: October 11, 2010If a team is over the cap and receives a player in a trade or claims a player off of waivers, they cannot trade the player in combination with other players for 2 months. The player can be traded by himself.
No Reacquiring (New Jersey Nets)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2011Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To Kyle Lowry$5,750,000$5.7M 15.5PG1 0 4 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Offer Matched (Cleveland Cavaliers)Restriction Expires: July 14, 2011When a team exercises the right of first refusal to keep a Restricted Free Agent cannot trade the player for 1 year without the player's consent. The player cannot be traded to the team that gave the offer sheet.
Base Year Compensation (BYC)BYC Expires: July 01, 2011
Outgoing Trade Value: $2,875,000If a team is over the Salary Cap and enters into a new player contract with a Bird or Early Bird free agent or an extension of a Rookie Scale Contract, that provides for a salary in the first year of the contract in excess of 120% of the player's salary in the prior season, the player will be subject to a Base Year Compensation. If such a player is traded, his Base Year Compensation will be used instead of his salary for purposes of determining the amount of his Traded Player Exception. The player's Base Year Compensation will equal the greater of the salary for the last season of his preceding Contract, or 50% of the player's then-current salary.
Being Traded To Kevin Martin$10,600,005$10.6M 17.1SG2 0 3 Years Being Traded To Brad Miller$4,400,000$4.4M 13.0C9 0 3 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To Yao Ming$17,686,100$17.6M N/AC9 0 1 Year Being Traded To Philadelphia 76ers P. Patterson$1,823,280$1.8M N/APF6 0 2 Years Being Traded To Luis Scola$7,775,378$7.7M 17.2PF6 0 5 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Base Year Compensation (BYC)BYC Expires: July 01, 2011
Outgoing Trade Value: $3,887,689If a team is over the Salary Cap and enters into a new player contract with a Bird or Early Bird free agent or an extension of a Rookie Scale Contract, that provides for a salary in the first year of the contract in excess of 120% of the player's salary in the prior season, the player will be subject to a Base Year Compensation. If such a player is traded, his Base Year Compensation will be used instead of his salary for purposes of determining the amount of his Traded Player Exception. The player's Base Year Compensation will equal the greater of the salary for the last season of his preceding Contract, or 50% of the player's then-current salary.
Being Traded To I. Smith$473,604$473.6K N/APG1 0 2 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To Denver Nuggets J. Taylor$780,871$780.8K 11.5G3 0 2 Years
Trade Exceptions

T. Ariza$6,322,320$6.3M J. Dorsey$881,000$881.0K C. Landry$1,647,360$1.6M J. White$825,497$825.4K
Hollinger's Analysis: -2 Wins

With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 2.
Denver Nuggets Payroll

$83,767,347
Cap Room

-$25,723,347
Player
Salary
PER
Being Traded To

Jordan Hill$2,669,520$2.6M 15.1
F7 0 1 Year

Being Traded To

J. Taylor$780,871$780.8K 11.5
G3 0 2 Years

Being Traded To

Eddy Curry$11,276,863$11.2M -1.8
C9 0 1 Year

Acquiring 3 Players
$14,727,254$14.7M
Denver Nuggets Roster

Being Traded To A. Afflalo$1,959,577$1.9M 10.9SG2 0 1 Year Being Traded To C. Andersen$4,533,300$4.5M 15.9C9 0 4 Years Being Traded To New York Knicks C. Anthony$17,149,243$17.1M 22.3SF5 0 2 Years Being Traded To R. Balkman$1,675,000$1.6M 6.7PF6 0 3 Years Being Traded To C. Billups$13,150,000$13.1M 20.3PG1 0 2 Years Being Traded To Eric Boateng N/AC9 0 Being Traded To A. Carter$854,389$854.3K 10.3PG1 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
1-Year BirdRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010Must receive consent to trade players with a 1-year contract, excluding options, who will become Early Bird or Bird free agents at the end of the contract, or players who have accepted a qualifying offer for a 5th season following the 4th option season on the Rookie Scale. If the player consents, he will lose his Bird rights and become a non-Bird free agent at the end of the contract.
Being Traded To S. Edwards N/AF7 0 Being Traded To Melvin Ely N/AC9 0 Being Traded To Gary Forbes N/AF7 0 Being Traded To A. Harrington$5,765,000$5.7M 16.8PF6 0 5 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To Nene Hilario$11,360,000$11.3M 18.9C9 0 2 Years Being Traded To Ty Lawson$1,546,560$1.5M 16.5PG1 0 1 Year Being Traded To K. Martin$16,545,454$16.5M 13.5PF6 0 1 Year Being Traded To C. Sims N/AC9 0 Being Traded To J.R. Smith$6,757,851$6.7M 15.2SG2 0 1 Year Being Traded To S. Williams$854,389$854.3K 14.1PF6 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.

Hollinger's Analysis: -12 Wins

With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 12.
New York Knicks Payroll

$56,356,721
Cap Room

$1,687,279
Player
Salary
PER
Being Traded To

C. Anthony$17,149,243$17.1M 22.3
SF5 0 2 Years

Acquiring 1 Player
$17,149,243$17.1M
New York Knicks Roster

Being Traded To K. Azubuike$3,300,000$3.3M 19.8SF5 0 1 Year No Reacquiring (Golden State Warriors)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2011Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To W. Chandler$2,130,482$2.1M 13.8SF5 0 1 Year Being Traded To Denver Nuggets Eddy Curry$11,276,863$11.2M -1.8C9 0 1 Year Being Traded To T. Douglas$1,071,000$1.0M 14.9G3 0 1 Year Being Traded To P. Ewing Jr.$762,195$762.1K N/ASF5 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To R. Felton$7,000,000$7.0M 15.3PG1 0 2 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To L. Fields$473,604$473.6K N/AG3 0 2 Years Draft PickRestriction Expires: September 26, 2010After a draft pick signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 30 days.
Being Traded To Philadelphia 76ers D. Gallinari$3,304,560$3.3M 14.9F7 0 1 Year Being Traded To Roger Mason$1,400,000$1.4M 9.7SG2 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To T. Mozgov$3,567,096$3.5M N/AC9 0 3 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To Houston Rockets A. Randolph$1,965,720$1.9M 18.7PF6 0 1 Year No Reacquiring (Golden State Warriors)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2011Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To Andy Rautins$600,000$600.0K N/AG3 0 3 Years Being Traded To A. Stoudemire$16,486,611$16.4M 22.7PF6 0 5 Years Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To Ronny Turiaf$4,000,000$4.0M 12.7C9 0 1 Year No Reacquiring (Golden State Warriors)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2011Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To Bill Walker$854,389$854.3K 14.6SG2 0 2 Years Being Traded To S. Williams$854,389$854.3K N/ASF5 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 23, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.

Hollinger's Analysis: +1 Wins

With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 1.
Philadelphia 76ers Payroll

$68,456,447
Cap Room

-$10,412,447
Player
Salary
PER
Being Traded To

J. Jeffries$6,883,800$6.8M 9.8
PF6 0 1 Year

Being Traded To

P. Patterson$1,823,280$1.8M N/A
PF6 0 2 Years

Being Traded To

D. Gallinari$3,304,560$3.3M 14.9
F7 0 1 Year

Acquiring 3 Players
$12,011,640$12M
Philadelphia 76ers Roster

Being Traded To Tony Battie$854,389$854.3K 6.2C9 0 1 Year Free AgentRestriction Expires: December 15, 2010After a free agent signs with a team, he cannot be traded for 3 months or until December 15, whichever is later.
Being Traded To C. Brackins$1,306,920$1.3M N/ASF5 0 2 Years Trade/ClaimRestriction Expires: November 23, 2010If a team is over the cap and receives a player in a trade or claims a player off of waivers, they cannot trade the player in combination with other players for 2 months. The player can be traded by himself.
No Reacquiring (New Orleans Hornets)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2011Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To Elton Brand$15,959,099$15.9M 15.7PF6 0 3 Years Being Traded To S. Hawes$2,974,320$2.9M 13.8C9 0 1 Year Being Traded To Jrue Holiday$1,627,920$1.6M 12.4PG1 0 1 Year Being Traded To Houston Rockets A. Iguodala$12,345,250$12.3M 17.8SG2 0 4 Years Being Traded To Jason Kapono$6,641,440$6.6M 8.4SF5 0 1 Year Being Traded To Jodie Meeks$762,195$762.1K 10.8G3 0 2 Years Being Traded To A. Nocioni$6,850,000$6.8M 11.2F7 0 2 Years Being Traded To D. Songaila$4,818,000$4.8M 11.6PF6 0 1 Year Trade/ClaimRestriction Expires: November 23, 2010If a team is over the cap and receives a player in a trade or claims a player off of waivers, they cannot trade the player in combination with other players for 2 months. The player can be traded by himself.
No Reacquiring (New Orleans Hornets)Restriction Expires: July 01, 2011Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To M. Speights$1,773,960$1.7M 17.6C9 0 1 Year Being Traded To Evan Turner$4,602,720$4.6M N/ASG2 0 2 Years Being Traded To Lou Williams$5,000,000$5.0M 18.2PG1 0 3 Years Being Traded To T. Young$2,901,241$2.9M 14.1F7 0 1 Year
Trade Exceptions

S. Dalembert$2,192,894$2.1M
Hollinger's Analysis: -7 Wins

With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 7.
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this is what im hoping for.
just give the the knicks the first round pick and the sixers the other first round pick.

 

From what little I've seen of him, AR could be a very skilled 3 or 4. Has a very high ceiling, if he matures. I'd love to see him grow in a Rockets uniform. (No homo, to all you wags out there!)

 

It would cost us at least the 2012 pick because they need a pick to trade and they can't trade the 2011 pick if we cancelled the pick swap because we own their 2012. I'd give them their 2012 pick back because after the get Melo they most like will go after Paul ASAP. That pick won't be worth much if that happens and may be a worse pick than the Rockets 2012 given the uncertainty.

And I'd be willing to even give them their 2011 pick swap option back in addition if I had to because Melo and Amare in the east might actually have as good or better record than the limping Rockets making it worthless.

Take the bird in the hand by taking Randolph. I doubt you could do better by keeping the pick and pick swap option if the trade with NY goes down. You'd still end up with Randolph, Martin, Hill and Jeffries for Landry and a busted McGrady which is a good trade even in hindsight.

 

oops that didnt really work

pretty much we get randolph and iguodalla
the sixers get jefferies, gallannari, patterson,first rd pick
knicks get mello
denver gets curry, hill, taylor, first rd pick, and sixers first rd pick

 

I've been telling people if NY wants their picks back so bad I'd give them both back for Gallinari.

Gallinari/Budinger is a solid 1 2 punch at SF.

I don't want Randolph due to his attitude, the fact that I don't want to help Melo go to the Knicks if we still hold one of the picks and I don't think Randolph is worth both picks.

 

This http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29xs25j + the two NY picks. Hell, I'll even throw one of our first round draft picks in as well.

 

Just to be clear - we don't have 2 Knick picks. We have a pick swap option in 2011 which if the Knicks get Melo and given the Rockets uncertainty, there is a very good chance that it is worthless if they have a better record than we do.

And the 2012 pick will most likely be in the 20s given the path NY is taking if that trade goes down.

 

Huh? Smith is more of a SF than PF. I agree Randolph is more of a PF, but the Smith comparison goes against that.

QUOTE=abc2007]Because Randolph is in his contract year. He will go after a big contract next summer. The nuggets are in rebuild mode. They don't need him this year. Do the rockets need him just for one season?[/QUOTE]


Doesnt make sense to give up a first rounder for a one year rental...if we trade for him it's likely to flip him for someone else, not sure if we have the money to sign him this offseason to a big deal.

 

Oh, I know that I just figured people would understand what I mean. I mean, I'm not typing out that explanation every time I talk about the two picks in question.

 

I think he can especially with the second unit that likes to run. I was wanting the rockets to get him awhile back when Don Nelson put him on his bad list.

 

I think I would rather Melo end up with NJ.

I think Knicks as is right now are a lottery team that will get the 6-9th pick. I think that if the Melo possibility goes away, it really locks them into sucking in 2012 as well (because most of their options have gone away.).

If we flipped the 2012 pick for Randolph (and the Knicks get Melo) Then we are giving away the 2012 pick and moving the 2011 swap probably into the late teens or twenties.

I would rather pick in the mid/late lotto the next two years. Randolph won't put us over the top.

 

I don't see Morey trading away a potential lottery pick just to get another project, especially when we already have young players at those positions.

 

yep. hmm.

 

If a trade involving the Rockets and Knicks goes down, I highly doubt we'd get both Gallinari and Ant. If NY is trading them both it would be more likely that one of them is traded to Denver.

Also, I see Jordan Hill as the odd man out if this were to happen. I think he would also be included in the trade to Denver.

 

Randolph has played at the 3 before and he is more improved over last year. That would probably have Hill(if he isn't moved) play at center or possibly have Battier play some at the 2.
Either way having Randolph would be more of a positive than a negative.

 

Randolph is not considered a project anymore. He is a bonafide threat. He is younger than Hill and has 3 more years of experience. Besides, getting Randolph would make up for the loss of Ariza and we would still have the assets to make another trade possibly for Iggy.

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, especially in the heat of the moment. From what others have posted on the board, he has the reputation of having a bad attitude. That being said, the one he was staring down was our very own Yao Ming and then later Randolph got balled up. That was Randolph's rookie year, if I'm not mistaken, so he still has a long way to go. He has upside which inherently means he's not fulfilling his potential yet. Either way, the man has talent.

 

I'm all for this trade if it gets us Gallinari.

Jeffries + picks for Gallinari. I believe he is better than anything we will get in the draft and we would still have our own picks. The guy would add more height to our team. A 6'11" SF is not a common occurrence.

 

Plus, didn't Ya teach him a lesson that game and ended up staring him down? They would probably both have a good laugh over that if he came here. I hope .