NY Daily News: JVG, CD wanted Ward, but Les overruled

I don't hate anyone, in the true sense of the word.

I think Ward is a bigot, and a poor NBA player. Double my happiness for us not getting him.

 

Mr. Clutch:

You are aware that the Knicks WAIVED Charlie Ward, aren't you? That means that his new team is only paying him the league minimum while the Knicks are paying the rest of his salary.

Can you say Matt Maloney? Apparently, the Knicks saw him that way.

-P1st, S2nd

 

Hi-larious.

"This just in... the Rockets have hired J. Goebbels to head the Marketing department."

 

you people just don't know jack about ward. he was good for a hot minute in the 90's. his good days are long behind him.
he is garbage. no loss at all.
by the by, les is the boss, and if he feels it was anti-semitism, its his money.
but i repeat, ward is garbage. moochie is better.

 

The knicks didn't waive him, the Suns did. The Knicks dumped him for mooch and we wanted Ward? Now we get what they didn't want years ago, another XKnick....

 

Actually, if Ward wanted to pursue filing charges against Les Alexander for discrimination based on political views, he would get him a couple of million dollars, no kidding. I would be his lawyer too. It is rediculous to deny someone a job that is not related to politics based on someone's political or religious views. This is only basketball, it is not like he is going to try to inflect harm on the Rockets with his views, the guy is a decent and veteran player who has a good, clean track record in the past.

I would say Les Alexander, as a Jew, probably just did not want to be associated with him based on HIS own beliefs.

However, imagine going over to do a job interview, and the employer asks you if you are a devout Christian, Muslim, Jew, or otherwise. If you decide to answer that question by saying "Yes", and thus the employer tells you that you are not fit to be employed at, hypothetically, Walmart, since you are "religious", that is religious discrimination and would be an easy case in the court of law.

But lets not be blinded by what people might say or believe. The mere fact is that Charlie Ward is a good and honorable citizen, just look at his record. So just because he is a devout Christian does not mean, like some in this thread seem to indicate, that he is "weird" or "unemployable".

Lets see this happen to one of you and then see what your reaction will be. Luckily, Ward is already a millionaire, so he did not even bother pursuing his rights fully since he had other options for employment.

Sorry to prolong this, but wanted to throw a bit of legal prespective into this discussion.

 

Hakeem basically believed that all of us christians were not going have an after life and that our religion was false. Shouldn't that be viewed as just as bad as Wards comments? If you are a chrisitian then I would think that those views are just as insulting as Wards comments but we except his differences because he is a superstar.

Les does not like people that disagree with his religion to the point that he will not allow his GM and Coach to make basketball related moves then he should sell the team to someone that can seperate business and religion.

 

Whether you agree with him or not, he is simply stating historical facts, which are politically incorrect. I think he should not have made his religious views public, but he has a right to them just like you or me. To label a guy a biggot for stating a couple of verses IN THE BIBLE is misleading at best. What is a Christian? It is a person whose foundation of beliefs is based entirely on the Bible, which is the "Constitution" for a Christian person, just like the American Constitution is our foundation of beliefs. Now you can criticize him on being insensitive towards certain groups, but the funny thing is people are being hypocrites when they are against bias views by an individual and not so concerned about a certain country that we support with over $20 million a day that is BASED in its entirety on bias bases and feeling of superiority above all others, as well as using our tax payer's money to support killing innocents and exiling an entire population of peoples. Yet we are unwavering in our support for them as a nation, talk about hypocrasy .

Lets get something straight, you are either against ALL biggotry or you are not as "righteous" as you think. Lets end hypocrasy in this country's policies first before we start accusing certain people of saying certain things. After all, a misguided peoples cannot guide others.

 

I find that an interesting comment considering the basis of Christianity is that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior and the Jewish religion does not.

If you are a true Christian don't you believe that people in the Jewish religion are heathens? How is it possible to separate the two? It's not. I don’t think it gets much more fundamental than that.

 

bigbodymoe,

how can any Christian read that article and find fault with Ward's comments?

Thanks for printing the whole thing so everyone can see.

I respect Ward for publically stating that his best friend is Jewish....Jesus Christ.

The man is religious and has just as much a right to be as Les.

Les is obvious a religious bigot.

 

Ward has not refused to work for Les or hire someone because they have a different religion. I bet he has played along side with more than one Muslim or Jew.

Les on the other hand has shown his intolerance towards Christians for voicing their belief in Jesus Christ.

Les in this case is very clearly the bigot not Ward.

 

Let's get something straight: ALL RELIGIONS ARE BIAS!!! NEWSFLASH! Sorry for the caps, but just wanted to remind people. Hakeem never said anything public against any group of people, he held his beliefs private which is how they should always remain. That being said, IF what Ward said is ignorant and misguided then obviously the Bible, and thus Christianity, is ignorant and misguided, since he basically stated a couple of verses from the Bible and concluded his beliefs based on them.

However, in an nation of secularists, or at least that is what people say in public anyways, what the hell are we doing electing a fundementalist Christian to the White House?!!!!

Sorry to bring politics into this. Ooops, too late for that! The whole thread is based on people's political and religious views.

 

B-Bob,

I think you need a center for your Duke-Gein-Hitler team. Would you rather go with girth in Goerring or height in Edmund Kemper III?

BTW - thanks for that post as it was hilarious.

 

That is such a misleading statement I donot know where to start. First of all, Hakeem NEVER made his views public, so you cannot preconclude what he believed or what he did not believe.

Second, as a person who has extensively read and studied Islam, the Koran, the Bible of Muslims, clearly states that its basic principle is that man must worship the one and only God, who is identified as the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Christians call him "the Father". Another verse clearly states that only those who believe in the one God and do good deeds in life will be awarded Heaven. Another verse goes further to say that some Christians, some Jews, and some Muslims (but acknowledges few of all of these groups) will be awarded Heaven. So notice that the common assumption amongst Christians and Jews that only they will go to Heaven is unfounded to say the least in Islam. As a matter of fact, Christians and Jews are labeled as "peoples of the books of God" and thus must be treated as believers just like any other Muslim. Islam puts great emphasis on "belief in the 1 God" and "good deeds in life" as the principle that will determine who is awarded Heaven and who is not. There are no pre-assumptions made, which is used as a leverage to get all Muslims to do good in life or otherwise risk going to hell.

The only thing that would guarantee hell in Islam is worshiping someone other than the God of Abraham, or also worshipping someone along with the God of Abraham, which is a sin that if someone does not repent from during his life and dies with guarantees eternal fire.

In this basic principle of Islam, Jews and Christians are already believers in the God of Abraham and are thus only needing to do "good deeds" in life in order to qualify for heaven under this Islamic principle, which is the foundation of the entire religion.

I hope people would read and understand the basics of each religion before they talk about them. It is wrong to "act" like you know instead of "actually" knowing and stating your opinions as facts. Get your facts straight

Just thought I would throw this small lesson in Islam 101 to this thread, refrences for the verses I refer to here can be provided straight out of the Koran (English Translation of course) if needed.

 

I'm surprised this thread is still not moved to the D&D. I agree with crash that Les is the bigot, not Ward, in this case.

Now, is Ward a good backup PG? That's not for this thread to discuss.

 

Geeze..it isnt like Ward came and applied for the job and was refused based on his religious views..

VG talked to CD and wanted to get him...Cd checked with Les and they des\cided not to...whether or not it was because of Ward's views on Jews is not for us to really know.

and besides...it is Les' team..and it is his money. If he decided he didnt want tthe guy here...it isnt for any of us to say one way or the other.

Besides...as has been pointed out.. NY thought Moochie was betteer than Ward...and most of you hated Moochie.

Why the hell do you care if Ward came here or not?

Someone please move this to D&D..the discussion isnt gonna get any better from here on out.

 

Yeah we don't want any Christians on the team, we want thugs, druggies, and womaneizers on the team. So we might as well get Wallace. It sounds like Ward's comments were part of a private Bible study that had no business being leaked to the media. I'm sure he knows that the Jewish people as a whole did not crucify Jesus but it was the Jewish leaders and if the Jews had welcomed Christ as the mesiah then the Gospel would not have been spread to the Gentiles. The stubborness of the Jewish leaders was all part of God's plan to spread his word to all nations, their eyes were blinded so the Gentiles could have salvation. Christians respect and honor the Jews as being God's children who have a covenant through Abraham. If there are Jews who persecute Christians then they just blend in with the rest of the world who persecute Christians. It's ok to say you go to church or believe but if you actually live a Christian life you will be perseucuted because His ways are not the ways of the world so a Christian living a Godly life will definitely stand out. But we remember that blessed are those who are persecuted for my name's sake.

 

Nope, Phoenix waived Ward after the Kincks traded him. The Knicks then tried to re-acquire Ward.

 

Can you blame him?

 

Great post, dude. Definitely could use more posts from you.