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[NPR] How Often Do People Use Guns in Self-Defense?

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    car insurance is another stupid thing
     
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    We can add circuit breakers and seat belts to that list, seat belts have saved my life 0 times.....
     
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    As more people get guns and carry permits, Philly sees a sharp rise in homicides ruled justified
    More people in Philadelphia are legally arming themselves and shooting their armed attackers amid a violent crime spike.


    https://www.inquirer.com/news/justi...0220620.html?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4

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    In May, a South Philadelphia man stepped out of his house for a smoke when police said a gun-wielding man rode up on a bicycle and demanded money. The homeowner dropped his cigarette, pulled out his licensed gun, and fatally shot the would-be robber in the head.

    In March, an assistant manager at a Dollar General store in North Philadelphia used his legal gun to shoot a man who police said burst into the store in a ski mask, demanded money, and threatened to kill the cashier. “I’m opening up the register for you, sir,” said the manager, who instead pulled his own handgun and shot the robber in the head, killing him.

    The same month, a customer with a carry permit inside Max Food Market in the Yorktown section fatally shot a gunman who tried to rob him while he was playing a video poker machine. “You have to defend yourself,” said Maximo Torres Rodriquez, the store’s owner. “You have to do it.”

    The three would-be assailants died from their injuries and in all three cases authorities brought no charges against the shooters. These sorts of deadly clashes in which the intended victims survive and assailants die are rare in Philadelphia, but are becoming more common as a growing number of people have legally armed themselves amid rising numbers of carjackings, shootings, and homicides.

    Justified homicides jumped 67% from 2020 to 2021 ― from 12 to 20 according to the Philadelphia Police Department. An additional six have been ruled justified by the department but are awaiting the District Attorney’s Office to sign off. In 2019, there were 10 justified killings, six in 2018 and eight in 2017, the department said.

    So far in 2022, victims have shot at least eight armed assailants to death, with more than seven months remaining in the year.

    “The total number of shootings and the climate of gun violence has gotten more severe,” said District Attorney Larry Krasner. “So I would expect that there would be more situations involving self-defense.”

    As Krasner said, the surge in justified shootings reflects the general rise in gun violence in the city. With unjustified homicides hitting a record total last year, with 562 victims, self-defense killings climbed too, though only slightly as a percentage of all homicides.
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    Texas top cop: Uvalde police response an ‘abject failure’

    https://apnews.com/article/politics-shootings-texas-bad08b96b38793c80ab92575640f8438

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    AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Police had enough officers on the scene of the Uvalde school massacre to have stopped the gunman three minutes after he entered the building, and they would have found the door to the classroom where he was holed up unlocked if they had bothered to check it, the head of the state police testified Tuesday, pronouncing the law enforcement response an “abject failure.”

    Officers with rifles instead stood in a hallway for over an hour, waiting in part for more firepower and other gear, before they finally stormed the classroom and killed the gunman, putting an end to the May 24 attack that left 19 children and two teachers dead.

    “I don’t care if you have on flip-flops and Bermuda shorts, you go in,” Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said in blistering testimony at a state Senate hearing.

    The classroom door, it turned out, could not be locked from the inside, according to McCraw, who said a teacher reported before the shooting that the lock was broken. Yet there is no indication officers tried to open it during the standoff, McCraw said. He said police instead waited around for a key.

    “I have great reasons to believe it was never secured,” McCraw said of the door. ”How about trying the door and seeing if it’s locked?”

    Delays in the law enforcement response have become the focus of federal, state and local investigations.

    McCraw lit into Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief who was in charge, saying: “The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children.”

    “Obviously, not enough training was done in this situation, plain and simple. Because terrible decisions were made by the on-site commander,” McCraw said. He said investigators have been unable to “re-interview” Arredondo.

    Arredondo has said he didn’t consider himself the person in charge and assumed someone else had taken control of the law enforcement response. He has declined repeated requests for comment from The Associated Press. A lawyer for Arredondo did not immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday.
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    How dare they protect themselves from violent crime, I say if they ask for your wallet give them your car keys too.... Invite them over for dinner...
     
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    If a homicide is justified then isnt it by definition not a homicide?
     
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    No, homicide is simply the killing of a human being by another. There are unlawful forms of homicide (such as murder and manslaughter), and lawful forms of homicide (such as self-defense or execution).
     
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    This 3rd page is a shitshow sponsored by the GOP voters...please stop and try to hold on to what dignity you have left. Hell I might just deny its existence at this point.
     
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    People in the rest of the oecd seem to be doing ok without guns for self defense
     
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    Telegraphing you own a gun is going to make you a target of crime. People like to steal them.
     
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    It's depends on which city or which country, inequality, and all sorts of other factors. That stated, there's definitely a link between gun proliferation and violence. Oh, OECD. Yeah, I don't really fully consider the US there, lol. We are 3rd world in so many parts of this country.

    And even if we take your point to the extreme fullest, I'm not willing to give up my guns and armor unless you methodically make sure that every illegally acquired gun has been destroyed. The gun makers love the amount of illegal guns out there used by criminals because it promotes the arms race. I'm not denying that.
     
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    that's why you conceal them. "concealed carry" ;)
     
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    Like Chicago? After stricter gun laws thats the safest city in the world....
     
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    Do you know how second hand smoke works?
     
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    Yes
     
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    Then you will understand how, like people that don't smoke, harm can come from nearby areas without the same restrictions.
     

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