You make the claim that I am wrong. That in itself is a claim. How are you not getting that? YOU are letting your bias cloud your common sense. If I'm such a fanboy, why do I own all three systems? Why do I readily say that I love LIMBO, Castle Crashers, Tales of Vesperia, Gears of War, and Geometry Wars, among others? I'm talking about the sales results this month, which is what the topic was about in the first place, remember? Oh yeah, that whole topic thing! Part of my point was that 360 is doing so well it's even beating out the Wii this month, whereas in the past it's mostly been the other way around. 360 more than doubled their sales numbers in the past couple months (450k instead of 190K). You call that "consistent relative to the other systems"? From getting beaten horribly by the Wii to it being the other way around? How's that? Yes, I know that's why Gamestop is booming. People trade in games they don't want anymore. But most of the time it's for the sake of trading old games for a system for newer games on the same system. I really can't understand why you're so insistent that switching systems is not a big deal for most people. Some people (for reasons I can't fathom) are rrrreeeeeaaaaallly attached to Halo, or some other exclusive series of games. They can't get Halo anywhere else. So switching kinda becomes impossible. They're in it for a particular game, and they're stuck with the hardware. That being the case, why shouldn't they have the right to be annoyed at the situation? Do people have no right to complain about Windows just because they could stop complaining and switch to Linux? Most people aren't that computer-saavy. They're trapped. Much like people who love Halo are trapped with the 360. That's your opinion. I did give some numbers, in case you hadn't noticed. Where are yours? And no, don't give me the "I didn't make a claim" BS. Again, your claim that I'm wrong IS A CLAIM. If I'm being so completely unreasonable as you say, it should be EASY for you to disprove me with FACTS. So where are they?
Everyone should buy Blazblue: Continuum Shift. If you're a fighting game enthusiast, check it out. If you're not an enthusiast, like me, you should still check it out. It has a certain charm about it and loads of fun. Go Go Go!
Already did. Blazblue is very good times. I still don't like it quite as much as I did Guilty Gear, but as they add more characters I'm sure I'll start liking it even more.
Almost forgot... speaking of good game released recently, I just bought the Scott Pilgrim game. I highly recommend it. It's the next-best thing to Castle Crashers.
Lol, I love this tired discussion. The PS3, almost based on facts, is definitely the best console out there. However, because of personal preferences, people still buy/prefer the X BOX 360, which is OK because that's part of being an American (you have choices). I have owned all 3 consoles (Wii, 360, Ps3) and I cannot see how the other two are better than the PS3, period. Let me explain. Wii: I bought it for my siblings. Nintendo is pretty much over in terms of "real" gaming. I had all the major games for the Wii (Smash bros., Twilight princess, Mario Party 8, Mario Galaxy, Super monkey Balls, Metroid...) and still couldn't play the console for over 10 hours. It just wasn't for me. I still have 2000 wii points and an unused "classic controller" that I bought for this Wii. Without their beloved franchise heroes, Nintendo is pretty much irrelevant at this point. Xbox360: lol. After doing a lot of research (about which version is the most reliable), I bought a Jasper Arcade version of the XBOX 360. For $199, the XBOX 360 arcade is very limited. Things that I learned about the 360: I spent $30 buying a charger and rechargeable batteries. You need to "update" the console before being able to play videos from an external HD, something that I never manage to accomplish because you also need a WiFi Adapter to use wireless internet ($80), and then you need to pay for XBOX Live ($50 a year). The console (at least this arcade one) is extremely loud, too. I cannot sit near the TV in my room if I ever turned it on because that's all I hear. Not to mention the power brick that comes with the XBOX 360. This console was just not for me. I can't see why anyone would prefer this console, unless you are a fan of XBOX 360 exclusives (Halo, Gears of War...). I'm not a Halo fan and I didn't exactly like Gears so I had no reason to keep my Xbox so I sold it to my cousin. I used my tax refund to purchase this console mostly because I wanted to play Star Ocean, but I couldn't finish that game. It sucked. Not to mention it's 3 discs, which is ridiculous. Ps3: I have two Ps3s, an 80GB backwards compatible one and a Ps3 slim. Unfortunately after playing too much MW2, my 80GB Ps3 started freezing. It now does not "detect" any discs on it. I read online that it has something to do with powering off the PS3 manually while there is a disc inside, but that doesn't matter now. I still have my slim. I really prefer the PS3. The controllers are light and comes with rechargeable batteries. It is wifi ready and can play blu ray videos. It can manage/play my digital media. PSN is free. Its exclusives aren't bad too, but that's irrelevant due to personal preferences. I haven't experienced 3D gaming to have a valid opinion on the matter, but I hear that the PS3 is also the only console that is ready or capable of it. From what I read/understand, Microsoft has been buying "timed" exclusives from companies like ENIX (Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean) to deter PS3 fans, which doesn't bother me because I don't care about video games enough to send hate e-mails. It was just an interesting fact. Other than that, the Ps3 and Sony has plenty of exclusives that just keeps me on the Sony line. The PS3 console is great, despite having my 80GB crap out on me. Outside of the US, the PS3 is pretty much the undisputed console of choice between the XBOx360 and the Ps3. I think the XBOX360 had a 1 or 2 year launch date advantage over the PS3, but the overall sales are catching up...but I don't know or care about the exact numbers enough to look it up. All in all, it comes down to personal preference and whether or not anyone loves Halo enough to come to terms with everything else that the 360 falls short of. It's just a hassle. I don't want to update any software, especially when it wasn't wifi ready and requires Xbox Live. I don't have time for that. It's so inconvenient. In terms of hardware specs and ease of use, the PS3 is easily the best console available.
Man. Look, putting aside the fact that 'oh yeah, well disprove it!' has never, ever, ever been a valid form of proof in any circumstance or debate, let's try and give it another point of view for you: If I wasn't calling you wrong, just asked where you got that from, what could you do then? (No, failure rate isn't 'proof'; we know it was ****, but that could just as easily point to people getting fed up and getting another system). So what else? "Well, my friends..." That's it? If you're going to throw out your claims, don't throw a fit because someone asks you to back it up and you can't. And so do I. So do a lot of people. What's your point? I never said you were a fanboy; you've stated in the past you have a 'preference'. But 'it only sells so well because they keep breaking!!' is fanboy warz BS straight from Gamefaqs right along with 'The PS3 has no games!!", whether you want to admit it or not. Sorry. I'm guessing you are getting upset and not reading correctly. What I said was: "The system has pretty much been second in sales just about every single month of this entire generation; sometimes even in first.... Again, people pick up these things for lots of different reasons. It's sales have been smack dab between Wii and PS3 for years now, pretty consistently...360s sales are what they are, and they've been consistent relative to the other systems. " These are my 'numbers'. 360 has sold well enough, month after month each year, to stay pretty consistently in second place. Sometimes even better. The idea that this has happened over and over again, "mostly because they break" is ridiculous. That's pretty straightforward. For some it is. For some it is not. Gamestop's booming used market proves that lots of people are willing to part with games - and systems (just go look at a GS's shelves some time) - every day. That's my point. There are lots of factors. Which is entirely more reasonable and sensible than your idea that all these people are JUST TRAPPED by the 360 and CLEARLY, the only reasons it sells is these people MUST KEEP BUYING the system and have no choice because moving on to something else is just so amazingly difficult. That's just not logical. You can keep hoping it's 'BS' as much as you want, it doesn't make it true. I'll ask it again, Drex; let's see exactly where you stand. Which of these seem the most logical to you: The 360 sells well for a lot of different reasons. or It sells well because they break. Just so we're clear.
I often feel the Wii is under-credited, but maybe it's just that I have interest in a wider array of games than most people. While the PS3 is also my favorite system and the one I use the most, the Wii is still worth owning. It actually has a surprising number of games that are truly unique experiences, that you just can't get on the other two systems (of course, maybe this will change with Kinect and Move, IDK). I GREATLY enjoy Trauma Center (all of them), Okami Wii, RE4 Wii, and Wii Sports Resort, to say nothing of the titles Wii is most known for like Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, etc. I'm really looking forward to starting Monster Hunter Tri soon, as apparently that's really something else, and it's an exclusives. The stuff I hear about it (very difficult, innovative multiplayer) reminds me a bit of a more happy-go-lucky Demon's Souls. You know, as I've referenced before, I've always hated the hardware, and the fact that the fan tended to drown out everything in the room was a big issue for me as well. The new hardware is so much quieter that I've found myself playing and enjoying the system much more since I made the switch. There are some pretty neat games on Xbox live that aren't on PSN, like Limbo, Geometry Wars, Castle Crashers, and Deadliest Warrior (which reminds me of a modern Bushido Blade). And yeah, those last two are *supposed* to be released for PS3, but I have doubts about that actually happening. And seeing as it looks like Tales of Vesperia won't be coming to PS3, anyone who loves RPGs should know that they're missing out on one of the best RPGs of this generation if they don't own a 360. Then of coure there are the games you mentioned... I myself love Gears of War but don't care for Halo. Then there's Bayonetta, which isn't technically an exclusive, but may as well be with how awful the PS3 port is. Halo isn't the only thing the 360 has. And a feature that really doesn't get the press it deserves: being able to install disc-based games to the hard drive. I didn't have the space to do this before the new 360, since I didn't want to spend 3 times the market price for 360's proprietary hard drives, but once I had the 250GB drive that came with the Slim... ohhhh. It's niiiiiice. Better loading times, and quieter than the PS3 will ever be. I'm definitely big on the fact that the PS3 comes with rechargeable controllers, wheras 360 you gotta buy them separately, and the fact that online is free. And I think it's often under-stated how much better of a media player it is compared to the 360. It's not just one has blu-ray and the other doesn't... there are almost too many things to list: 1. PS3 has better upscaling, 2. colors during DVD playback are noticeably brighter than on 360, 3. instant preview feature on media files is awesome (hit square to break up a file into 30-sec, 1 min, 2-min,or 5-min segments with 10-second previews), 4. DVD seek time is much better than 360 (fast forward a DVD on 360 and it will chug, PS3 it's smooth), 5. bluetooth remote is more responsive than 360's remote. And of course, most importantly, I like the exclusives the best. If I could only choose one system: definitely PS3. Fortunately though, I don't need to choose. :grin: Hey man, like I said, the old 360 hardware was terrible... besides failing all the time, no WiFi like you say. But the new one's got that. And capability to play XviD was added to the PS3 via a firmware update, so it's not like needing to download updates in order to play certain types of media files is unique to the 360...
I already answered this. So sorry you feel the need to respond to me without actually reading what I say first. Here, let me post the exact same thing again: "it is a claim that there will very likely never be any conclusive proof on EITHER WAY. It's almost completely unverifiable. You know that, or at least you should. Hence, it is very disingenuous of you to demand proof while offering no real evidence yourself." There is nooooooo conclusive evidence either way on this for either of us. Period. The end. So what in god's name makes you right by default? Your position is as much opinion as mine is. Um, you called my position "fanboy war crap"... but you didn't call me a fanboy? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Sorry. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... what? Yeah... I never said that. Have you even remotely being paying attention? Like, at all? I was citing the sales increase from pre-Slim (April-May) to post-Slim (June/July), in which 360 sales have more than doubled. That was my entire source of annoyance. My ENTIRE POINT was that the new 360s, the Slims, have been selling atypically well. Those have been around for a whole... what? 1.5 month period of recorded data? How is that "over and over again" as you say? A whole two NPD reporting period constitutes "over and over" now? Wow. Just wow. Really? Let the record state, Rokkit has re-defined "over and over" as "twice or more". Awesome. Yes, there are many factors. I gave many myself. Exclusives people don't want to part with, and a big up-front cost to exchanging systems are two of them. You are completely and utterly ignoring those factors. You may shrug them off. Many don't. It doesn't for you either. If you change the second statement to "The 360 Slim has sold well in large part because the previous models broke so much" (which has been my point all along), then I agree with both statements equally. But if you insist on asking the question with the second statement as you wrote it, then no, I don't agree with that at all, which is why I never said that. I know it's easier for you to argue with someone when you change their words to the point where you change the meaning... but I'd just as soon you argued with my actual point, if you're going to argue. I don't feel any desperate need to argue on behalf of a figment of your imagination, which is apparently what I was unknowingly doing. To try to make this clear, one last time: I don't think the 360's total unit sales were positively affected by the high failure rates, at all, through May of this year. I never claimed they were, either. That would make no sense. They broke a lot, but Microsoft most often fixed them for free, hence there was no new unit purchased. It would make no sense to me to make such a claim. I only think the old 360 model's high failure rate has had a positive effect on sales numbers for 360 Slims, which has been out for less than 2 months. Because the impression the Slim leaves with most people is that it will not fail as quickly. Hence many people upgrade because they're tired of the headache that is the old 360 form factor.
Of course there is. You understand that all I have said is that there are lots of different reasons the 360 would sell, right? This has been the case with every redesign or even system sell ever. There is nothing to 'prove'. You are qualifying, not me. You are the one claiming that a specific one of those is the only, major one - not me. If you make that claim, you should have a way to back it up. I don't see why that is difficult for you to understand. lol. This is also difficult for you? Why? I don't think you are a fanboy. Are you? All I know is you have stated your 'preference'. But the statement that the 360 sells mostly 'because they break' - yes, that is a staple of fanboy warz, along with 'it has no games', etc. etc. Again, pretty straightforward. Dude, calm down. This month's sales don't exist in a vaccum. Certainly you understand that if you are making the point that - this month - the sales increase is because of breaking systems, then the sales of the system in previous months are going to be revelant? Of course there's going to be a bump when a redesign is released: PS3 got one too. But if the system has been selling well, consistently, up to this point, then surely whatever reasons people had for buying all those systems up to this month could also have a role in why people have also bought the Slim? Because, if so, that means there are a lot of potential factors for why people are buying the Slim. Much like there were for when people bought the Slim PS3 (which had no hardware issues). Which was my entire point. Understand the relation now? Thanks for agreeing with my point. I'm not the one trying to narrow it down to one factor. "Many factors" is exactly what I've been saying. Well, that's quite different from your original claim - the one that 'disgusted' you so, isn't it? Of course it had a 'positive effect'. Like I said, just one of the factors. If you are trying to tell me it's the only one, and the one that has caused mostly everyone to buy, I don't think it unreasonable that you should be able to prove that.
Yup, 2K5 was leaps and bounds better than any football game, and Madden just seems regurgitated now days...
Is anyone a bigger Xbox fanboy than Rokkit? That guy will argue with you till his face turns blue and he falls over in a coma if you dare say anything bad about his wife.
No, it isn't. When I say "positive effect" in that instance, I do still mean that it had a very, very large positive effect. In the case of that particular statement, I was only highlighting the distinction between "just the Slim" and "the entire time since the 360 originally launched, since you are apparently very, very confused on that point. You just didn't bother quoting half the point I was making there. What I said originally was: "I have to say it does disgust me a bit that the new 360s are selling so well, only because I'm pretty sure people are mostly buying them because they're tired of their old ones breaking constantly." "The new 360s." The Slims. You took that and ran with it, talking like I had just said "360s" not "the new 360s," referencing how my idea was that this had happened "over and over again," when I was only talking about the atypical lead the 360 has over the entire field this since the Slim launched less than two months ago. Again, you're either redefining "over and over" as "twice," or you never had a freaking clue what I was actually saying. You just felt like arguing because you frequently like saying fanboy things (oh, but I'm not calling you a fanboy... ). Wow. Just wow. Work on your reading comprehension skills, man. You've been arguing against a point that you made up in your mind this whole time, not an idea I ever actually put forth. I'm done arguing with someone who can't read.
Lol. I made why I referenced the previous xbox sales completely clear, Drex. You choose to ignore it because you know you are pulling stuff out of your ass and have no way to back it up. I always considered you pretty level headed in video game topics; it's a shame you flew into an almost chow level nerdrage with insults just because someone asked you to prove what you throw out there. It's probably for the best that you move on.
If you are a developer and you are building a game and you want to make money. The lead sku is the 360, then the PS3, and if it is an easy port, the Wii. Most developers don't bother with the Wii, the attach rate is not all that great. DD
I did back my stuff up. You chose to ignore it. And I was no more insulting than you were. I was making a comment to no one in particular, you started the whole thing by misrepresenting my entire point, ad reductio absurdum, and saying I was talking about a much longer time period than I actually was. And you claim I am more emotionally invested than you, yet... you're still talking. Lol indeed.
Haha. Ah, mr. Reading Comprehension, you said you were done, not I. I'm perfectly fine with the discussion, waiting until you can provide something real. But, well, it's pretty obvious that might be a while...
I was perfectly fine with it too, until I realized you were not comprehending what you were reading. Nor providing anything "real" yourself. You toss out a barrel of red herrings, and that's all. Get back to me when you understand the central point I brought up in the first place. Everything else is just noise.
Is the new PS3 controller out yet? Between that and the Connect stuff, I thought the PS3 was much easier to control and a better product. DD
Lol. Still not done, like you said a few posts ago? Got any proof yet, instead of more gibberish to try and deflect? Still waiting. I think Move is out first, in October. Kinect follows in November I believe.
