Now that the season's over, do we re-sign Ron Artest?

Lol...at how quick some of you just throw Artest under the bus.

Lets take a look at the Celtics Big three shall we?

First you have the centerpiece...Kevin Garnett. Though out the season Garnett is the most consistent of the 3. He's our Yao Ming. Just like Yao he's good for 20 and 10 every night no matter what. Garnett can't be fronted but that is also because you cant double the guy when you have so many good players around him.

Then you have Pierce, the Gurad or SF who can just take over games. Sometimes he goes through stretches where he plays bad...this is like Tmac. Please believe that Pierce had injury issues and that people questioned if he was mentally tough enough to get it done. Pierce is going to make all the big plays in the 4th...just like Tmac has done for us.

Then you have Ray Allen...he's our Ron Artest.
I've visited a Celts forum during the post season last year...and this year too...and a lot of times their fans TRASH the guy...because just like Artest he's had a great career...but what people...and what SOME OF YOU don't understand is that Artest isn't a guy who can carry this team night in and night out.

What Artest did in the Portland series was huge for us, and guess what...remember last year Ray Allen had TWO bad series. Artest is going to have bad series...but he's the X-factor.

Artest had a bad series but lets not just ignore all the good things he's done.

And getting Trevor Ariza...please. When has Ariza made all defense teams and won Dpoy? When has Ariza been THE guy on a team?
Sum team is going to overpay on this guy right now he's surrounded by great players.

Ariza can never replace what Ron Ron has done for us this season and Ariza's shot is really no better, he goes through streaks just like Ron instead Ron is 10x the better defender.

 

If the money is right I would definitely resign him. I wouldn't break the bank for him though. He was a big contributor this year, but he also can be a terrible decision maker who's turnovers and bad shots can cost you a game just as easy as they can win you one. I was kind of expecting him to have a bounce back game today after his last few being so poor. In the end it would be all about the contract length and amount as the deciding factors.

 

lol, the fan card. u don't have to be a fan to appreciate someone's game.

i still dislike some of the things brooks does, but i appreciate his production and the impact he brings on the court.

 

Okay, name a couple of them. Seriously. Name a couple of teams that has that kind of cap room and that has a need for Ron Artest because I would love to know who they are.

 

3) umm... obviously you haven't watched this guy play. he actually can also shoot 3s, run the fast break, defend a little bit, and create a little bit off the dribble. the only thing shane can do better than him is defend.

Since you love using stats, here are some stats:

Shane Battier: 7.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 38.4% 3pt, 82% FT 41% FG

Trevor Ariza: 8.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 31.9% 3pt 71% FT, 46% FG

The only advantage he has is PPG (on a fastbreaking team), and from the field. Outside of that, Battier is a far superior long-range shooter, is slightly better rebounder, and a much better FT shooter, and a far superior defender.

 

tmac had an unexperienced team last season. we beat a very unexperienced blazers team. blazers imo were very overrated. tmac played hard last year but didn't have a team to help him, yao was also hurt last year during the playoffs which didn't help tmac at all.

 

YES......

We do a SIGN and TRADE for him to make the team better.

DD

 

Also you re-sign Ron at all cost if you think it'll bring you a championship.

I think him Tmac and Yao can do just that and that's not even mentioning Shane Battier who has been great in the playoffs and Scola...and Brooks.

The main problem is Ron won't matter if Tmac is hurt. He can't replace Tmac because he's so unpredictable on offense and we actually need Tmac on offense...I don't care what anyone says, we need the guy or a guy like him.

 

We played and inexperienced Jazz team two years ago, at full strength, and lost so this logic escapes me.

 

We won 53 games and came within a game of the Western Conference finals with a hurt T-Mac.

 

this is a true post.

 

B-b-b-but we were INexperienced inexperienced!!! When you double the amount of inexperienceness, it all makes sense!!!

 

Yes, we played that Jazz team without AB, Brooks, Von Wafer, Landry, nor Scola.

Or did that escape your logic as well?

 

Anyone see a little Baron Davis in Ron Artest? Boom Dizzle was crucial to making the Warriors a playoff success, and totally changed the culture of that team; but he's an inherently self-destructive player with his shot tendencies, and you simply can't have one of those guys be one of your top 3 if you want to win.

We all know that Artest is a fantastic shooter at certain spots, and absolutely horrible in others; in that, you've basically just described Jason Kidd, who's seeing a late career resurgence as a 4th option in Dallas, where he can basically get to his favorite spots and get uncontested looks. While we all thought that Kidd was a piss-poor jumpshooter (40%FG/34%3FG career), it was just that he was forced to create shots, rather than take them.

If Ron doesn't sign with Houston, I'm damn sure that the Rockets are not a contender, but if he signs somewhere else, I can't help but think that he's gonna wind up on a whole lot of "Top 10 worst signing of the offseason" lists next year.

I think he'll be ok in Houston, however, since with Yao in the lineup, he's a 3rd option, and I'm confident that they'll either be able to use T-Mac's expiring contract to get a big scorer to push him down to 4th option, or T-Mac can come back and still be effective.

I'd give him a 3 year deal, and try to backload it heavily; since we're headed for a lockout after the 2011 season, where I would expect teams will be able to "Allan Houston" a player off their roster in order to get below a hard cap, I'm not worried about paying a 33 year old $12 million.

 

1) ariza played 24 minutes per game if u use those stats. shane plays around 37. so if you want to add that onto there, i think it puts a lot of things into perspective.

2) he improved DRASTICALLY in this playoffs, just like aaron brooks did. and he's only 23. you add him with shane -> dynamite. and he's improving yearly.

 

I've been less than thrilled with Ron over the course of the season. We all pretty much agree on his positives and negatives. I like his defense and the attitude he brings to the team but hate everything about the way he plays on offense.

But in the end, the Rockets are already over the salary cap for next season. We can give Ron whatever we want and we're allowed to because we own his "Bird" rights. But if we let him walk, we can't use the salary we would have paid him to someone else because we're over the cap. We'll only have the MLE to work with.

I don't think they're going to let him walk since we won't be able to replace him with anything better. So I only see 2 options.

1) Re-sign him with the intent of him playing for us again.
2) Do a sign and trade.

If there's a team that wants him and they're over the cap, they can't offer him anything more than the MLE. If a team like that wants him, they'll have to do a sign and trade with us to get him. For those that want Ron gone, this is probably the most likely way that's going to happen.

 

we also had a different team 2 years ago.

 

Here's the thing...

Ron can't replace Tmac...

and

Tmac can't replace Ron...

Thats' why I mentioned the Celts big three. Pierce can't do what Allen does and Allen can't do what Pierce does...so if we really want to win a championship we resign Ron Artest.

Two star players can't get it done in this era, and if we just let Ron Walk we WILL have a hard time replacing him.