When the US military switched their side arms over from .45 to 9mm I remember talking to someone in the military who said it was a terrible decision and missed the whole point of using a larger caliber side arm. He told me when you're using a pistol you're not engaged in target shooting but looking to take somebody down at close range so while the 9mm might be more accurate it had far less stopping power.
It is my understanding that they did it to increase interoperability with NATO. The scary 'come for you in the middle of the night' combat units still use .45.
im pretty sure the cops had reasons to open fire. none of them ever discharged their weapons before including a 12 year veteran. cops in major cities gets paid crap, and they have one of the most dangerou professions in the country. lets not cry race everytime a cop kills someone, most of the time, its justified.
Though probably more dangerous than average, cops don't have one of the most dangerous jobs -- at least not sniffing the top-10: http://www.forbes.com/2002/09/03/0903worksafe.html. That none of these guys had to shoot at anyone before speaks to that as well. By the way, the 12 year vet fired over half the bullets himself -- 31 bullets. Whether we should give them the benefit of the doubt, I'll leave that to other posters.
Race is not a issue here this is about 5 cops who cares what race they are there were 50 shots . A 12 year vet fired over half the bullets himself -- 31 bullets . This is overkill an these guys had no GUN.
maybe he just want to make up for all those years not firing anything.. he's average now is 2.5 bullets a year I agree the cops are probably justified for the shootout but not for the number of shots.. honestly I think that 12 year vet lost it for a moment..
There has got to be a logical explaination to all of this...I'm just not sure we'll ever know what it is...
How do you lace 31 shots into a group of unarmed civilians? damn. it doesnt matter if its about race. The cops ought to be fired. and jailed.
After reading the description of the 'victims' in this case, it sounds like they have a history of run-ins with the law. There's probably much more to this story.
I heard that was one of the main reason for the change too. Just curious isn't there a large caliber handgun that the Europeans used that could be used as a side arm?
but the student waqs creating a hostile situation with people gathering - it could have gotten explosive as the police were outnumbered severely. The guy was inciting a riot.
i don't think ucla students are stupid enough to start a riot just because someone is being asked for their id and asked to leave if they can't produce it.. but tasering a disobedient kid 73 times and not carrying him out instead will..
I saw a study actually from NYC police department a few years ago where they tracked numbers of shots fired and percentages of hits. I don't remember all the details, but the things that stuck were that something like 70% of all shots on average miss and that people think they've fired two or three shots when they've actually emptied the magazine. Even shots fired in 'close quarters', like shots at someone 5 feet away in a hallway miss more often than they hit. For some reason (and it's not relevant here) officers only hit more often than they missed when firing at attacking animals, but even then just barely. I think the number of shots fired here seems somewhat large, but not really surprising. Think for a second how scared you would be when pulling out a gun to shoot at someone who you believe might be shooting back. As far as I know the Western Europeans use 9mm Parabellum, and the Eastern Europeans all use 9mm Makarov in handguns.
Then they cuff his legs and cary him out right away instead of yelling and tasering him for more than five minutes. Someone who's tasered in the first place is going to have a very hard time standing. If this guy was creating a hostile situation you don't exacerbate it by hanging around. YOu get him out of there.
