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Now America is Getting Smarter....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    Obama earned the right to be the Democratic nominee. Palin was handpicked from McCain out of nowhere with a laughable "surprise" vetting process.
     
  2. B-Bob

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    You know, I sympathize with so much of what you post, but that "equivalence" is just crap, in my opinion. Cheney has been completely dismissive of the constitution and the American public. He is not even on the Republican side of the aisle. He disdains a great deal of what Republicans claim to stand for, like small government, transparency, and minding our own business abroad.

    You may not like Biden. You may see him as too entrenched in Washington. You may see him as a snake. But his transparency and commitment to the common good (again, even if you see him as dead wrong) are much, much more difficult to call into question. Can you see a Cheney immediate family member deployig to Iraq, ever? Or can you see Biden saying "So?" in answer to a question about American casualties? Biden is truly a public servant. Cheney thinks the public, and the federal government, are his to manipulate.

    They are each old white guys who've spent years in Washington. That's it. In sum, that's a 4-5% similarity averaged over all possible qualities and outlooks and personal histories.

    The only significant moment of the VP debate for me was Palin blithely thinking Cheney was just a peachy VP. That really surprised me, led me to fear her will for power.
     
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    If you don't believe Obama was chosen, packaged up and sold to you like product at wal-mart........well, I guess the dems got what they wanted.
     
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    If you don't believe Obama was chosen, packaged up and sold to you like product at wal-mart........well, I guess the dems got what they wanted.
     
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    double post death! ugh, sorry.
     
  6. Refman

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    No. America is not getting smarter. As proof, I give you that "Beverly Hills Chihuahua" is the #1 movie in America this week.

    We...as a nation...are doomed.
     
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    I took it to mean that much like Cheney was supposedly the hand in the puppet (puppet being Dubya), Biden is the hand in the puppet for Obama.
     
  8. giddyup

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    FranchiseBlade:

    She sat out and did nothing for weeks other than being groomed by McCain's people. Then finally she comes out after all of this prep and she gives us the Charlie Gibson interview. We also get the Katie Couric interview? That's not being unduly harsh about her preparedness.


    I saw those interviews and while there were "gaffes" I didn't view them as failures-- especially the one with a hostile Couric.

    I would have preferred Mitt Romney myself.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    So you like your Crackerjack with Palin toy?
     
  10. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Hostile Couric? Did we see the same interviews? Couric was remarkably patient and professional given how incredibly horrible Palin was.
     
  11. Classic

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    lol, best point in the whole thread!
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    Obama was far from my first choice coming out of the primaries because I had some reservations regarding his experience but I don't think there is any way that puts him on the level of Palin. For one being the governor of a small state (population wise) and one that is not part of the contiguous US means Palin has had far less exposure to the issues that most of the nation deals with compared to being in the US Senate. Second Obama has shown he can handle himself in regard to tough interviews and debates without appearing lost or having fall back constantly on talking points. He has shown he is more mentally, or at least rhetorically, agile than Palin.

    So yes Obama's experience is and should be an issue but given Palin's questionable performance so far on the national stage I don't that Palin is on par with Obama in terms of of cabability.
     
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    I'm not going to rule it out but at the moment I have a hard time seeing Biden has weilding the same amount of influence over Obama and an Obama Admin as Cheney does over the current one.
     
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    Sad but true.
     
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    Why did she press three times for Palin to vindicate McCain's record on the burgeoning financial crisis?

    I don't see her pressing Biden on vindicating Obama's record (overall even) which he terrorized during the primaries when he was still a presidential candidate... I call that hostile.

    Seems to me that the problems we are having were legislated by Carter, energized by Clinton and have finally come crashing down. All "they" want to do is blame the Republicans for not stopping it... :confused:
     
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    Maybe you're right, but Obama's current foreign policy rhetoric seems to be straight out of Biden's warmongering playbook. It's decidedly more interventionist than Obama has ever been, and more interventionist than any Presidential candidate since the height of the Cold War.
     
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    It was neither Carter nor Clinton that pushed passed the deregulations that helped put us into this mess.

    Biden didn't have to be pushed into defending Obama's record, because he actually knows the record, what he's talking about, and is able to answer the first time without being pushed.

    Couric was in no way hostile. If Palin crumbles under a Couric interview, she won't do well with foreign ruthless leaders.
     
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    WOW! Latest update of electoral-vote.com has Texas listed as WEAK GOP!!!
     
  19. CometsWin

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    Obama winning Texas would be sooooo so special.
     
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    in any other country this race wouldnt even be close..

    What shocks me... is 8 years ago America voted in a president... who was a uniter and you could sit down and "have a beer with"...

    4 years later after all the screw ups you voted him in again... and now four years later...

    after all that...

    its still a close race... with the Republicans best talking point the Iraq war surge...

    lets forget the fact that studies are showing the reason the surge is working... is the shia and sunnis... forcing one and another out of each others territories...

    or the fact that America... is paying/giving weapons to people who at one time were killing Americans... to turn against the Terrorist who were not in Iraq in the first place...

    but the saddest part of it all... is you have put into power... a religious faction... that is the same religious faction as America's Axis of evil friend.. the Iranians..

    but I guess a border line on the map makes the Shia in Iraq the good guys... and the Shia in Iran the bad guys...
     

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