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November 3rd, 2009

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. basso

    basso Contributing Member
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    I prefer the Classical Liberal Party, but I imagine that could get confusing. ;)
     
  2. MojoMan

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    I kind of liked Teddy Roosevelt's Bull-Moose party. But unfortunately I do not believe that name is likely to resonate either.

    :)
     
  3. basso

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    it's perfect for Palin tho!
     
  4. MojoMan

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    Hahahah.

    :)

    Maybe she can resuscitate it!
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    Except under Palin, it would be the "Let's kill bulls and moose" party.

    ;)
     
  6. kpsta

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    The idea of a Palin trying to resuscitate anyone or anything just sounds like a recipe for another pregnancy.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Just heard this morning that the GOP candidate pulled out of the race. That is so hilarious.

    A crackpot like Hoffman has a good chance to get in, and break the once sure-fire Republican stronghold on the seat. It's more hilarious that he's backed by the completely dishonest, and below average intelligence politicall laughing stock Sarah Palin.

    This is definitely one of the greatest races in politics this off year. What a gift the GOP has given the Democrats with this.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/nyregion/01upstate.html

    Just amazing. I actually agree with Newt the Nut's comments on this:

    Republicans who supported Ms. Scozzafava warned of the dangers of national figures intruding into local politics.

    “I think we are going to get into a very difficult environment around the country if suddenly conservative leaders decide they’re going to anoint people without regard to local primaries and local choices,” said Newt Gingrich, the House speaker who had endorsed Ms. Scozzafava.


    It's amazing that right-wing Republicans can't see the damage they are doing to the national party. This is an absolute gift to the Dems no matter who wins next week.
     
  9. basso

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    you're assuming Conservatives have any particular interest in the Republican party. by and large, they don't. the outcome here (not of this particular race) could either e a take over of the Republican party by it's more conservative, libertarian base, or perhaps the beginnings of a real, viable, third party, built from the ground up, again, one more Libertarian than the existing big government Republicans. Either outcome is fine with me.
     
  10. A_3PO

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    If conservatives don't care about winning national elections, that is their right and privilege. But if the GOP doesn't present a viable alternative to Dems in national elections, it will be bad for the country. If conservatives actually believe nominating a far right-wing candidate for president is a winning formula, they need to stop drinking Kool-Aide.

    When it comes to issues, how does this "libertarian base" feel about abortion and gay rights? I didn't know libertarians were anti-abortion and anti gay rights. That's a new one. The fact is, the conservative "base" of the GOP is NOT libertarian.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Either outcome is hopeful to the Democrats as well. They would be assured victory after victory. The Democrats would love for either of those outcomes to happen. It's one reason they are so delighted with events in the Hoffman election.
     
  12. MojoMan

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    Exactly right. I agree 100%.
     
  13. Dubious

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    You realize that TR was a progressive, the first American environmentalist and a major anti-capitalist trust buster right?

    That's sort of the polar opposite of you and your Palinista.
     
  14. MojoMan

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    I regard myself as an environmentalist. I am just not buying into the politically charged AGW theories or any of the other related nonsense.

    Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican. Here is some information on him, in case anyone is interested:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

    Roosevelt was not anti-capitalist. He was a trust buster, which amounted to a campaign against monopolies and oligopolies. The effective functioning of capitalism depends on the forces of competition. Early in the 20th century, certain organizations had developed to the point that the competitive environment of the industries that they operated in had been compromised. Roosevelt took steps to rectify that situation. His efforts were not perfect by any means, but something similar to what he did was necessary. In order to maintain the functioning of the capitalist system, there must be regulation of the financial markets, which includes anti-trust regulation. It is always a challenge to maintain the right balance on this, especially when our government is run by someone who truly does appear to have strong anti-capitalist and anti-business inclinations. However, Teddy Roosevelt was not such a person.

    Marxism did not really find a home until the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917. Roosevelt was not a Marxist or a socialist by any stretch of the imagination.

    As I think you know, the Bull Moose reference was a joke. It is almost unimaginable that a political party could be named that today.
     
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    reports out of New York say that Scozzafava is quietly telling backers to now switch to the democrat and the RNC has now caved and is throwing it's support to Hoffman.

    this is getting to be a fun race to watch.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    Wow! I don't think the Dem has any chance there, but that would really be a slap in the face if that happened.

    No matter what happens the situation is pure gold for the Democrats, and pure poison for the GOP.
     
  17. Ottomaton

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    Awesome. Even basso has disowned the Republican Party.

    We should take a moment to savor this. If anybody had predicted this when basso was crowing about dubbya's reelection four plus years ago, they'd have been laughed off as a joke.

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  18. ryan_98

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    more of the establishment politician trying to keep it's hold on the 2 party system


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...rses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/

     
  19. MojoMan

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    As demonstrated by her endorsement of the Democratic Candidate, Scozzafava was apparently a Democrat in disguise. The Republicans who put her up as the Republican candidate should all be thrown straight out on their butts.

    The Republican party better learn fast from this little episode not to put up liberals like Scozzafava as Republican candidates in special elections any more.

    Now, on to Florida. The Republican party has decided to endorse former governor Charlie Crist, another liberal leaning Republican, against the conservative Mario Rubio for the 2010 race for Florida's open Senate seat. Crist must now be given the same treatment as Scozzafava. At least there is a primary on this one, so there if Rubio beats Crist, the controversy should be a bit more subdued.

    I am glad you lefties like this. I hope you continue liking it, because it is going to continue to keep happening.

    The race for the NY 23 should be now be an easy victory for Hoffman, especially after Scozzafava's endorsement of the Democratic candidate.
     
  20. Batman Jones

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    Hilarious. You promise to excommunicate all liberals and moderates from your party and then you say it will be easy to win in a pro-Obama Republican district. Hoffman might win (I kind of hope he does - you can't have too many Palin-Republicans), but it won't be easy.

    You are cheering the 20%ification of your party. As a liberal Democrat, I am cheering too.
     

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