Notre Dame Priests upset about Obama's Invite to Speak because of Abortion

So God loves babies more than he loves adults? You can't pick and choose which lives God loves more than others. According to scripture, He loves rapists and murderers, just as much as He loves aborted fetuses. Truth is, when it comes right down to it, the Catholic church has no problem with a little revenge killing. Which makes them hypocrites.

Emotion trumps rationalism? Got it.

 

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/05/20/bush.speech.text/index.html , so that paper thin argument holds no water anyway. Besides what does 9/11 have to do with states instituting the death penalty? If we were attacked tomorrow, would it be ok for Obama to speak the next day, since he was stepping in to punish evil doers? The Catholic Church only protests speakers who stray from their doctrine when we aren't ginning up wars in the ME?

 

Sorry the link got jacked. That link above shows that Bush spoke at Notre Dame 6 months prior to 9/11, so no people didn't forget about it. They just couldn't read the future. The ACL didn't care if Bush spoke because people like Donahue are right wing whack jobs. It had zilch to do with 9/11. It hadn't happened yet.

 

Ummm...yeah. I never said anything about the love of God. I spoke about the beliefs of man. Reading is fundamental.

Dude...have you even been paying attention? The Catholic church has been very outspoken in their objection to the death penalty and to the Iraq war. What evidence to you have to back up your asinine claim? None. It figures.

More groundless charges. Also, further evidence that you haven't been paying attention the last few years.

I did not really say that, and you either know that, or you are just that dumb. Again, we are talking about the feelings of man. Some people, being fallible, see the innocent being harmed and it just feels more wrong. Some people feel more strongly about abortion than the death penalty because of innocence.

Is this really such a difficult concept to grasp...apparently so.

 

Yeah, this has been going on since they first announced he was speaking here. It was pretty sad reading people's facebook statuses about it - there was about a week long crusade by one girl to post anything and everything anti-Obama.

"But he's the president is a terrible argument- he's the most pro-choice president in history!"

I'm glad the higher ups have sticked to their guns, and hopefully these priests protest won't affect anything. It would be truly a shame for those graduating this semester to not see Obama speak because of them. Times like these remind me I'm at a very conservative school.

 

That is not a defense that will win acquittal!!

 

How about this then....the Catholic church needs to quit hiding the priests that have fondled young boys. And let them face prosecution.

That good enough for you?

My original post was not serious - you need to lighten up Francis.

You would think a guy with a nickname meant as a joke would have a sense of humor...guess not.

DD

 

Oh really? Because joking about others religious is a topic that isnt somewhat serious? If that was your excuse, it was weak, at least come up with a better reasoning

 

I don't know, I find all the catholic priests that fondled alter boys to be somewhat serious don't you?

Of course that doesn't mean they all do it, but the idea of being married to the church and having to abstain from sex might have something to do with their repressed feelings.

And then I find it ADHORENT that the church moves the men right away to basically hide them from prosecution.

My reasoning is that the Catholic church in particular has been BRUTAL to people throughout the centuries and I for one am happy their hold on people is chipping away, it could not happen fast enough.

I am sure the Cathars in France would agree if they weren't whiped out by the Catholic church a few centuries agao.

DD

 

Oh, I didnt know the topic of this thread was about one or two Catholic priest's scandal with children. Because I was certain this was about Obama being looked down upon by Notre Dame if I was correct... Oh look, title even says "Notre Dame Priests upset about Obama's Invite to Speak because of abortion" not "Catholic Priests scandal with little children". See my point? Now I know why you have like a billion posts, because you just post anything even if its irrelevant to the topic. Want to talk about the scandal? Go make a new topic.

 

Actually, my point was that they have BIGGER issues to worry about.....such as.....

DD

 

And I never said you did. In my post, I was referring the pious, judgmental people running Notre Dame, who pick and choose just what sins they want to protest against (the aforementioned abortion vs. death penalty & Iraq war). Objecting to President Obama speaking because he is pro-choice makes no sense when they had zero objection to George W. "Mr. Death Penalty, Let's Bomb Iraq" Bush coming to visit and speak at their campus. One sin is NOT "more wrong" than the other, despite what some fallible people may feel. A life is a life.

See the aforementioned appearance on campus by George W. "Mr. Death Penalty, Let Bomb Iraq" Bush.

Way to resort to name-calling. Nice argument. You fail.

Not difficult, just disingenuous and hypocritical. These people who object to Obama's presence on campus were nowhere to be found when W. came to town. Thus, they are picking and choosing which "sins" they really object to. Which is wrong.

 

Yeah, in all honesty, I get a little sick to my stomach when I listen to my mother talk about the "abortion holocaust" with a shaky voice and a tear in her eye and then right after talk about how "we just need to kill these Muslims and stop being such a wussy nation," and how we just need to "send more criminals to the chair to clear out the prisons." A lot of religious people are completely obsessed with the abortion issue (and denying gay people rights, for that matter) and then are either indifferent or enthusiastically for torture, war, gun proliferation, etc. Stopping abortion is considered the ultimate Will of God - I've been there. I've sobbed while watching church videos on the subject and rarely heard about other social issues. I participated in an anti-abortion rally. In my church, and apparently a few Catholic churches, you are told what is "most important" to care about.

Why aren't these priests upset that the Religious Right chooses to stick their head in the sand on the abortion issue and wants to teach abstinence-only education? When will America stop being so prude and hypersensitive about human bodies and human sexuality and educate young people more on contraceptives? Abortion will not be banned here -- but there are logical and rational ways to help reduce it.

A lot of people are concerned about the lives of the unborn - but what about after the babies are born? Are anti-abortion activists ready to help the (many times poor) mother and child financially?

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I had a little spat about this earlier today.

 

I thought you said it was a joke you were making, before calling me Francis.

Which is it? I suspect the post reprinted above is the truth.

Thanks for deciding to admit to it in the end. My original reply to you stands.

 

This is a cute little tantrum, but not germane to the argument. Do you not respect the Catholic priests' position on abortion, and understand why they would have a problem with Obama?

 

I appreciate your contribution to the discussion, finalsbound, and don't think it's "off on a tangent" at all. Quite the contrary: I think it's central to the issue.

It's amazing to me the people who will turn a blind eye to all manner of "sins" as long as it suits their agenda. For the longest time, it was quite common to hear voters say things like "I disagree with almost everything McCain says, but he's anti-abortion, so I'm voting Republican". The religious right have used banning Roe v. Wade as their battle cry for so long, and it has worked. But there is anecdotal evidence to suggest that, with this most recent election, that was not the case. That voters finally said "enough!" to the intolerance, bigotry, and yes, even hatred spewed forth by some religious leaders in the name of God, and have finally started to vote their conscience based on ALL issues, rather than one.

Another very good question. The short answer is, "no, they aren't willing to help". How can I say that? Because they generally vote Republican. And the Republican party is not known as being welfare-friendly.

 

Is it possible for you to paint with a little broader brush? I don't think you got quite the entire canvas with the fist stroke.

 

Awesome, thoughtful post.

Rep points headed your way.

 

The Catholic Church spends countless dollars and volunteer hours helping those mothers and children in need.

 

Do you know the teachings and beliefs of the Catholic Church? If so, you should know the answer to this question. If not, read up on them and you should then find the answer.