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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. basketballholic

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    Here's another

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    JSmoove would have made this lob to Dwight for the throw down.
     
  2. SF3isBack!!

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    First it was "Harden refuses to lob to Dwight" now it's "Harden is lobbing to Dwight when he's well covered". Harden has no problem with Capela. Howard is lazy when it comes to setting picks which is why he and Harden have lousy chemistry. Dwight is always trying to slip the pick looking for the score instead of setting a proper pick. That's why he is always getting BS fouls on picks because he is always moving. I'm tired of the excuse with Dwight. The fact that there is a such thing a "Playoff Dwight" should let everyone know his attitude during the regular season. Harden has to do everything and if he falters it's all on him, it's BS.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    When you think screen grabs prove your conspiracy theory
     
  4. SF3isBack!!

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    You forget the part where people pass the ball to Dwight and he either misses the pass or the dunk.
     
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    Below, here's another of the same play but a different possession. Harden goes to Ariza in the corner. Memphis anticipates this and peels off on Ariza. The opponent knows our tendacies so well that they are recovering out to the shooters instead of even worrying about Dwight getting a lob. They know it ain't coming.

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  6. heypartner

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    bingo...lols. Look at the shot clocks. It's 21 seconds here. 18 in basketballholics screen grab when Ariza could have passed to Howard vs driving.

    In my photo, Harden is about to swing the ball to get it to Howard or an open three. MEM transition defense is late. Harden does the correct pass. Too bad Ariza can't drive very well, that's a bucket for most SFs. But it's actually a three-second violation no matter what Ariza does. Certainly if it ever ends up in Howard's hands the refs will call it.

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    So that's bbtholic first three plays now that he focused upon, which all are highly suspect evidence of icing-out Howard.

    • The first play which was run picture perfect by the Rockets.
    • Second one where the Rockets have a triple threat, but he focuses only on Howard. and
    • the 3rd one where Howard will get called for three seconds, clearly.
     
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    I think this is true - I've seen enough of Dwight this season to know he's not as quick on his feet or sure-handed as he once was when he dominated the paint. He just doesn't own the paint like he used to and consequently, players are not always looking for him. If you watch the entire game, you see him a lot of times really slow to get position or set his feet or make a proper pick.
     
  8. basketballholic

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    And here's yet another possession where Harden brought it up, stared at Howard in the box, threw it cross-court to Ariza who stared at Howard and then Ariza and Terry fiddled with it outside until one of them missed another 3.

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  9. alethios

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    To think we were 12-3 last season with practically the same group at this time.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Not the same group.
    Not the same group.
    Not the same group.

    Yeah, pretty much the same group.
     
  11. DreamEarlNolan

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    Last year at this time Papanikolaou, D-Mo, and Terrance Black were in the rotation and playing significant minutes.
     
  12. basketballholic

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    Yeah, ok. Here's that play.

    7:35 first quarter Memphis

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    Worrell: Ariza, nice pass inside, Dwight couldn't handle it.

    Clyde: Dwight was ready for him to throw it up. His hands were up. Didn't expect that.


    Look at this play, SF3isBack!!


    ALL TREVOR HAD TO DO WAS THROW THE BALL UP!!!!!!!
     
  13. SF3isBack!!

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    You're right and when Dwight start Capela backs him up. Who backs up Capela?
     
  14. basketballholic

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    You want me to post a whole pile of pics of Capela standing around and being out of position on defense????


    or will you go look at the video yourself and see it??


    Let's be realistic about Capela guys. He's a good, young talent. But he is in no wise ready to be the defensive anchor of a championship team. Or a playoff team for that matter. He's got a lot of growing to do.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Yeah sure, but Ariza isn't a very good passer so there's no guarantee that he'd have thrown it anywhere near where Dwight could reach it even if he had thrown the ball up. I mean, sure that would have been the smart thing to do, but this isn't a very smart basketball team so it's hard to expect them to do the smart thing.
     
  16. basketballholic

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    twist and torque it any way you like. You obviously didn't re-watch the video. Otherwise you'd have known that Dwight would've been able to catch with 2 seconds of the 3 he's allotted. In this particular play, Dwight is still in the lane at the 6:30 mark and no 3-seconds was called. Not to mention it takes a lot less time to throw Howard the ball from the 3-point line than it does to dribble towards Howard from the 3-point line while he's standing there with Gasol pinned on the lower circle.

    You're way off smarty pants.
     
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  17. heypartner

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    Actually you are twisting and torquing it.

    I did watch it, that's how I got the screen grab. You're wrong again. Just making things up to say there was only 1 second of the 3 clicked off so far. My video showed the clock at 21 prior to the swing pass. Ball gets to Ariza with 19, who immediately drives, and your photo shows the beginning of that drive with 18 on the clock. Even a tip pass doesn't make it to Howard before 18.

    And then Howard has to make a move, well over 3 seconds.

    sorry

    Why are you covering the game clock from your screen grabs. Do you have something to hide? Too bad you forget to cover the clock behind the basket on that play.

    And why no discourse on your first screen grab, where I describe the triple threat that you missed.
     
  18. heypartner

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    Here's screen grabs from the POR. So far, first Q, no indication of icing-out Howard. Three plays to him in first 4 possessions, already. And here is an example of Howard not showing the explosiveness that people still think he has to go up and get a lob.

    Inbounds play due to Howard getting stripped (off of POR) right under the basket in the same possession. Here Jones throws that perfect alley-oop with Howard having inside position, but he didn't explode and slam that like he used to, nor like some assume he will do always in any screen grab.

    He jumps and tips to himself. Gathers...still with good position, and what happened next? He travels.

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  19. heypartner

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    Second play of game vs POR. No evidence of icing Howard.

    Transition play, Howard and Terry go to the left side, Harden takes his man to the right and passes to Terry for a dump to Howard. Howard gets good position, but Terry has easier pass from the corner. Harden makes the correct pass to get to Terry to get to Howard.

    He chose is left-handed hook over diving across the lane for a right-hand runner. But missed. Good play.

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    Howard doesn't have to make a move. He has to go up and finish or draw the foul. It takes longer for Ariza to dribble drive while Howard stands in the paint than it does to pass Harden the ball. What's wrong with you?

    And Howard is still in the paint after Ariza drives and throws it out to the back-court at the 6:30 mark and there is no 3-second call. Howard had more than enough to finish if Ariza simply gets him the ball. You're being totally r****ded and distorting this play in an attempt to justify your position. But I've got more possessions than you can concoct answers for, dork.
     

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