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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. conquistador#11

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    AHAHAHAHAHA.
    Better not compare DMO's rim protection stats with Dwight's from last year.

    There are posters who dont 'blame Harden for everything and then there is you. A Harden fanboy who will blame anyone and anything than to critisize Harden.

    wow...pretty damning but then he says that he only has seen them from afar. So maybe he doesn't have some inside info?

    I am still waiting for Clutch to tell us what he thinks. :(
     
  4. Duncan McDonuts

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    Woah, Kevin Harlan shots fired. He never explicitly stated who but said he hears things about how difficult it was for McHale to coach a "young superstar player" that took things personally. When asked if McHale was a scapegoat for Harden's poor offseason, Harlan mentioned how a big name player pointed fingers when his game was off.

    I never thought McHale was a great coach as signified by our late game collapses and late season collapses. We needed more of a disciplinarian because our team lacked structure. Now I wonder who could coach Harden. Coach K and Thibs had success on the national team. Is Thibs the man to bring in?
     
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    Since the 0-3 start where he was god awful he has been shooting at almost the same rate as last seasons runner up MVP numbers.

    Shooting 44/35/90 with a .604 TS% averaging 31.4 since those first 3 games. He has been his usual unstoppable offensive force for a while now. The problem is no one else can hit an open shot and just about everyone's defense has been crap this year.
     
  6. sirbaihu

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    That does not sound good at all.

     
  7. Newlin

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    I don't know what the problems are this year. I have no idea. It's hard to blame Harden for players missing wide open shots, and layups.

    However, IF Harden is the root of all our problems, and IF he is doing something on purpose that makes us a bad team. Then I think he has to go.

    Look, I've loved watching Harden. He's a great player. But, maybe his heart just isn't in it. Maybe he doesn't want to play in Houston. Maybe he doesn't want to play with this team of players.

    If Harden is THE biggest problem, then I think we need to see what kind of haul we could get for him. I would think Harden would have tremendous value. He has two years on his contract after this year, and his contract looks like a bargain these days. We could build around Capela, DMo, and whatever young talent Harden could bring back in a trade.

    I know none of us want to think about trading Harden, but we may just have to consider it.

    The Rockets traded Elvin Hayes. The Rockets traded Moses Malone. They may have to consider trading Harden.
     
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  8. YaoMing#1

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    Hell no!!!!! Trade harden after him being great 3 staright years leading us to better records and higher playoffs seeds? Taking us to the WCF? Cmon his season is improving rapidly the team is not.

    If not for harden last night shooting 65% we would have lost by 25 points. That's how bad everyone else is right now. Dwight can't finish down low ariza can't shot an open 3 to save his life. I don't no how brewer keeps playing 30 min a game he's a negative anytime he's out there. Pat Bev had been hurt hard to judge him. Thornton and jones don't pass a lot at all. Terry sucks at everything but shooting an open 3.

    Harden and capela have been the only bright spots the last few games. We just have a lot of dumb players on this team none of them besides harden jet and dmo have high baskeball iq. We would be better with less talent but smarter players.

    We better hope dmo gets cleared to play not practice next week cause this season is getting away quick. Not quite over but 5 more losses with out 5 more wins and its a wrap.

    The rockets have to go on a five game winning streak to even think about playoffs anymore Losses before that and is a wrap.
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    It's very frustrating that Harden's lack of maturity is destroying what could have become something great.
     
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  10. The Real Shady

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  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    This is Les and Morey's fault entirely...100% ...they got a crappy player coach and replaced him with someone on the bench who is a cheap option neither of whom had the ability to coach Harden.

    They NEED a strong coach who can get to him, JVG, Thibs, someone like that......someone that has the stones to yank him when he doesn't do his job...to help him become a more mature player.

    Instead we get a rookie HC who was the defensive coach of a team that plays no defense.

    Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.

    DD
     
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    Yeah, not sure it is good when you have one guy scoring 40 and you lose by 9. That's kinda Melo style. Harden already has four 40-point games, right?
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    That's how I feel.

    I also feel he's still out of shape. He's struggling to get by guys and can't explode to the basket like last year.

    His defense is dreadful.
     
  14. LongTimeFan

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    Surely you're smart enough to recognize that no coach worth his salt will take a job mid season. The options were either to keep McHale or let JB try to turn it around.
     
  15. sirbaihu

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    Just for one time please explain your "crappy coach" assessment. McHale got more wins than Adelman and many more wins than Van Gundy. He took the team farther than either of the other coaches. He has greater status in the NBA, as an all-time great.

    Are you going to claim Van Gundy or Adelman would have taken us past the WCF?

    Do you claim Van Gundy is better, although his record with the Rockets is significantly worse?
     
  16. The Real Shady

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    Very true. The next Rockets coach will come this offseason so he'll have time to get his players acclimated to his scheme. The only option they have really.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    What? What makes you say that? There have been many coaching changes in mid season over the years.

    Why wait for next year? If you have a problem better to start fixing it now, rather than put a bandaid on it and hope it fixes itself.

    BTW - I place the majority of the blame on the roster - for whatever reason Morey loves guys who can't shoot or are inconsistent at it.

    Ariza
    Brewer
    Bev
    Howard
    TJones

    We need guys who are elite at something not inconsistent.

    DD
     
  18. The Real Shady

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    They are all defensive minded to make up for Harden's shortcomings.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    Better than McHale?

    OH HELL YES......so much better it is not even funny.

    But that is my opinion - you obviously have a different one.....not going to waste time trying to convince you otherwise.

    DD
     
  20. rocketshopeful

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    when was the the last time this happened and the coach was brought in from outside?
     

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