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Not giving up on Terrence Jones

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Texanasiafan, May 6, 2014.

  1. Texanswin2013

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    Lol Bosh. This is a guy who gets abused 1 on 1 just as much as TJ, and is an even worse rebounder. His floor spacing is much better but Bosh has regressed alot since 2010. Having LeBron James on his team has made him look adequate but man, he will probably be terrible in 2 or 3 years.


    He is a good player, but people really want to trade the player with the highest potential on this team because of a shaky playoff series in which was the first of his career.

    *Facepalm*
     
  2. zipcrash

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    why would bosh screw over miami? if he's leaving, the heat are going to get something in return. i think the guy has respect for their organization. at least he should.
     
  3. d12babymamas

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    You're forgetting we're in a win-now mode, and not a few years down the road. That being the case and taking into account the WC teams matchups, upgrading the 4 is critical. I think whether he develops 2 to 3 years from now is kind of pointless imo.
     
  4. zipcrash

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    he's come up big when they have needed him. maybe he's done what would be best for team and not himself. there is more to sacrifice than a paycheck.
     
  5. Carl Herrera

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    What does "giving up on TJ" even mean?

    Waiving him?
    Trading him for nothing?

    I suspect that the Rockets won't do those things. They will trade him if they get value, maybe as a part of a package to acquire a "terrific" player. But that's hardly "giving up on TJ."
     
  6. zipcrash

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    yes. but you only do that if you get a top PF in return.
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    He has an ETO and sign and trades are meaningless now since the new CBA. Bosh doesn't get anything extra by doing SNT.
     
  8. zipcrash

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    no, but the heat do. if he respects the heat, he wouldn't leave with out the heat getting something in return. bosh wouldn't "sell out" the heat.
     
  9. basketballholic

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    It's interesting to me that people are so defensive of Jones. Jones is the next player after Lin to totally divide this board. I think it's funny that the Jones lovers love to accuse the rest of us that are realists of being Jones haters. Just like with Lin, when you tell the truth about him, it causes the JOFs big time problems.

    Guys we simply do not have a championship big man rotation. That has to change. If you believe that Jones is somehow going to morph into this 38% 3-ball shooter with 20 more lbs of muscle to deal with the heavy 4's in our conference then you have a lot more faith than I do. It's going to take a loooooooong time to adjust Jones' shooting stroke to where Jones himself has enough confidence in himself to fire it. The odds of that happening are slim and none and slim is barely in the room with his hand on the door handle as we are discussing it.
     
  10. Texanswin2013

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    "JOF"? Are you serious? How about logical fans who don't want ot trade a player with all-star potential for a Milsap or Bosh will be getting dunked on and destroyed by the Jones' and Anthony Davis's of the world soon enough.
     
  11. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    There is no "sell out". He helped the team get two championship (maybe three).
     
  12. vator

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    Funny that we want to ignore the fact that when Aldridge was aggressive and wanted to score, Howard and Asik couldn't stop him either consistently. We can talk about them forcing him to take jump shots instead of going into the post all we want, but Aldridge is a freaking jump shooter and wants those shots anyways. Aldridge is just good. Some people won't accept that. 6'7 Paul Milsap isn't going to bother 6'11 LaMarcus Aldridge. After seeing what he did from time to time with Howard and Asik on him, I'm more convinced of that than ever. We didn't make him play enough defense on the other end of the floor. That was part of their strategy to wear Harden down.
     
  13. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    This isn't 2K. You can't edit players. Jones will never be an All-star.
     
  14. Texanswin2013

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    SO improving a jumpshot is something that can only happen on 2K?
     
  15. d12babymamas

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    We've gotten past the 1st round ONCE in the last 15 or 16 years. ONCE. I guess if you don't mind continuing on this trend for a few more years, then I guess you're right...
     
  16. zipcrash

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    the team also got him 2 rings...
     
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    If McDermott is there at 10 and Philly is holding New Orleans' pick then Asik and DMo for #10 and JRich may be enough to get it done. And I'm not sure that's enough value for Asik anyways. Hinkie knows Asik's value. He's got Noels already and they worked with Noels all year to try to turn him into a 4. And Noels, MCW plus their other lottery pick that may turn into a nice SG/SF plus Asik makes a very, very nice core....still young with tons of cap space to spend on a premier free agent in 2015 once they turn it around next season. And Asik would be a huge part of that for Philly.


    The other side of the coin is McDermott is plug and play ready. You can plug him right into the lineup of a contender and he'll contribute positively. McDermott will outperform expectations.
     
  18. dobro1229

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    I dont think its that at all. I think its more of the notion that apparently its so incredibly easy from the peanut gallery to just make a call and upgrade Terrence Jones to Kevin Love or alike.

    I understand Jones has holes in his game, but I also understand that there is no point in moving him when you dont have a clear upgrade already on the roster or coming back in that deal, and in the meantime there is very little point in the fans "Giving Up" on Jones since he is the youngest player on the Rockets roster, and he had some really great moments that shouldn't be diminished just because some folks like to poo-poo on him when the Rockets NEED an all-star to win a certain playoff series when they only have Terrence Jones.

    Having a player be diminished cause he's not a top flight all-star MVP candidate PF is pretty unfair and that's why I tend to stick up for him when I see him and others are being sh#$ on by people who think Morey should be a miracle worker.

    The Rockets have lots of holes. The Portland series should have made that quite obvious. Even (as you said would be the answer) when McHale went almost exclusively TT it wasn't enough defensively on a MVP caliber PF who was playing out of his mind. Even when they went small, they still didn't get the 3 point shooting to click since the defense wasn't giving that up, and continued to single cover Dwight.

    Its never enough for fans. I get that there is nothing like winning a championship, but even then (go see Dallas fans in 2012) the satisfaction is over about a week later once you find out that they aren't going to win it again the next year. If championships are the ONLY thing that draws you to a sports team than you are going to end up being miserable for about 99% of your time following that team.
     
  19. basketballholic

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    No trade of a top line player is easy. I've never once said or even implied that.
     
  20. dobro1229

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    I do like McDermott but I disagree with the fact that he's plug and play 100% guarantee. Alot of people thought Jimmer was plug in play in the role that he was expected to be in as a shooter off the bench, but if you can't defend at the next level you're gonna have troubles.

    Jones is by no means a defensive stopper but compared to the way McDermott looked in college, he's Otis Thorpe compared to McDermott. Still I think if Morey had the opportunity to trade Jones for the #10 pick in the draft it would ABSOLUTELY get the attention of Morey. That's definitely something to consider, but I dont think GM's are willing to give that up in this draft for Jones.

    Also... If Morey had the #10 pick, I dont know if he'd take McDermott anyways because, If I'm thinking like Morey, I'm thinking that player might be flipped in a trade before the season starts ALA Lamb to OKC. Id probably shoot for a more intriguing high upside guy like Gordon... but that's just me putting the Morey hat on thinking about end goals.

    Asik & Lin for #10 & J. Rich .... I still dont see the motivation to do the deal from Hinkie's standpoint if McDermott of anyone else is as highly rated as we are thinking they are. Hinkie has no reason to feel the need to move out Richardson's salary quite honestly. If anything that expiring contract could have value at the deadline next year and be looked at as an asset rather than a liability given the fact that they have so much cap space regardless.

    Anyways... #10 pick from Philly/NOLA is an interesting pick to take a look at though... I'll give you that, but I think we'd have to make it a little more worth Hinkie's while.
     

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