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Not Carr's Fault..

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Joshaaronb, Sep 10, 2006.

  1. DaDakota

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    Sure, if that is what you think.....

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  2. hatemavs4life

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    I hear a Dr Phil quote coming here. :D

    Anyway, DaDa I'll give you your due, your honest, brutally honest. Much more realistic and logical than Swoly at least. Carr's numbers improving but bottom line is a QBs ability to elevate his teammates play to victory. That is what separates the stars from the also-rans.
     
  3. hatemavs4life

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    Sorry, "you are" not "your". Oops!
     
  4. DaDakota

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    I actually was impressed with parts of Carr's play today, he still has too many mistakes for a 5th year NFL QB, but I do see improvement.

    He looked pretty good when given time, but he still can not feel the pressure or read the blitz for squat, and there is NO excuse for fumbling a snap....that is just poor concentration.

    But, I thought he played fairly well today.

    DD
     
  5. rrj_gamz

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    That sums it up right there...You can't expect to win at this level with those type of mistakes...granted, I agree I do see some improvement, but to say he's the franchise player who's going to take us to the next level, well, no...
     
  6. SwoLy-D

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    So now it's "ability to elevate his teammates play to victory", huh? WTF does it take to make you happy, F'er? :rolleyes: He's got RATING, he's got TOUCHDOWNS, he's got NO INTERCEPTIONS... What more do you want, f*cker...? :p
     
  7. hatemavs4life

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    Hey Dude, sit back and take a breath ... ok.

    Yes, the ability to make a QBs teammates to play better IS important. Some examples are: (Starr, Montana, Elway, Unitas, Namath, Bradshaw, Marino, P.Manning, Brady, Aikman). Whether or not you like these guys or not, you cannot dispute their ability to inspire to greater heights. Yes, not everyone on this list has made the ultimate climb but they still deserve merit in this case.

    As I have said, there are more problems with the Texans than Carr. Carr IMO has done the best job he possibly could under the ridiculous circumstances he's had to work with. Just plain frustrating the whole way around how things with this franchise have transpired.

    You misunderstand the connection I am trying to make, Carr, though a good QB, has not consistently shown the ability to generate victories by his own abilities. Yes, he HAS lead comebacks but you get the feeling that as of right now, that this is not going to be his modus operandi.

    That does not mean he is a bad QB. Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks are bad QBs.

    Right now, Carr IMO is slightly better than Dilfer in that he does not overly make mistakes costing his team victories but he rarely pulls defeats out of the fire. That's all I am saying. The Viking comeback in 2004 has been shown to be very rare.
     
  8. hatemavs4life

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    I said nothing about what will make me happy, I was making an observation. You see there's subjective-all emotional involved and going from one extreme to the other-mostly misinformed, you and objective-seeing things for what they are and also projecting an optimistic yet realistic POV, me.

    If Carr is in the top 5 in NFL, at midseason, then we've got something and I will be impressed. Chill out dude! In the meantime, do us all a favor. Have a coke and a smile and STFU! Puhleese!!!
     
  9. DaDakota

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    I don't know? Wins?

    Maybe to not fumble the 2nd snap of the game?

    To lead your teamates, get in their face when they screw up....raise expectations?

    Nah...none of that matters.....


    But, on the glass is half full size, I do see improvement, but his coaches need to help him out by better play calling...and the team needs a RB that is a threat on a dump out pass ...ala Bryan Westbrook....right now it is too easy to ignore the crappy running game and tee off on Carr.

    DD
     
  10. hatemavs4life

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    BTW, DaDa your previous post. Priceless. :D "How about wins?"

    I guess forums are not here for constructive criticism as I thought, we all have to agree with each other according to Swoly. :rolleyes:

    Swoly gives me a headache.

    I mean who doesnt want the Texans to win but, some accidental true assessment is what it will take not hoping for the best for we, Texan fans to finally see the road to the playoffs.

    Failure of TRUE assessment and wanting to be "nice guys" have cost the Texans. For one, expansion draft we got mostly players on the downside of their careers and one retired because of injury. Stupid player personnel decisions or trade up and give up 2 or 3 picks for players. Didnt Mike Lynn, GM of the Vikes in late 80s show this blueprint rarely works? Then, we get Babin who we gave up multiple picks to get and we get the brilliant idea to convert him to linebacker? Surprise he doesnt adjust well. It doesnt take a genius to figure out how everything has happened?
     
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    You're lucky. They give me a hemorrhoid.
     
  12. ima_drummer2k

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    I heard on the radio this morning that the Texans defense is #32 in the league. BTW, there are only 32 teams in the NFL.

    But I still blame David Carr for the 0-2 start. He should "get in their faces when they screw up". LOL.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Yeah, the defense is not looking all that great, but the offense has not scored too many meaningful points either.

    I think the coaching staff needs to do a better job of playing to the talen they have.....

    Gonna be a long season.

    DD
     
  14. Hey Now!

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    since you're only pretending to watch the games:

    colts up 14-0, texans drive to their 23 where lundy fumbles. side note: carr, of course, should have inspired lundy's hands to hold the ball tighter.

    colts up 17-0, carr goes 5/7 and brown kicks a FG w/ 1:49 left in the half. 17-3; considering the atrocious start, not bad; not good, but not bad. the next time carr touches the football, the texans trail 27-3.

    it's hard to score "meaningful" points when the team around you sucks. but i love the apathy; makes sense. i suppose fans would prefer the team lay down and accomplish nothing? any sign of progress is, or should be, encouraging.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    I am sorry, how did the Colts get the ball deep in Texan's territory on the 2nd play of the game? Did Carr actually FUMBLE a snap?

    But, his team sucks, that fact forced him to have slippery hands.

    Ric, the Texans SUCK, and Carr is part of the reason they SUCK !!

    He is getting better, I admit, and I blame a lot of the coaches for not helping him with better game plans, but he still makes far too many mistakes for a 5th year player, IMHO.

    DD
     
  16. HillBoy

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    I don't know Ric, some folks around here will never let the facts get in the way of their opinions. As I see it, Kubiak and the Texans face the same sort of rebuilding job that Jimmy J and the Cowboys faced after the evil Jerry Jones bought the team from Bum Bright. The first thing Jimmy did was to start turning over the roster and get players who fit his philosophy of playing the game - Jimmy had a clearly defined idea of what he wanted on offense and defense. This more than anything else, is what was wrong with the Capers-Casserly regime as they never established what type of team they wanted to field. They just sort of mucked along for 4 years until the good ship Texans finally crashed and burned around them.

    If nothing else, at the very least, I see the same quality in Kubiak. He comes in with a clear-cut idea of what he wants and how he wants his team to play on both sides of the line. It's important for Texans' fans to understand this and give him and the new regime a decent chance to succeed. This mess was four years in the making and it will take time to fix but at least now, we can truthfully say that it is finally being fixed. For the first time in years, we have a legitimate reason to hope for better times for this franchise.
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    Hillboy, that is EXACTLY how I feel about this whole situation. The argument that Carr (and the whole franchise, for that matter) should be better in year 5, while true, doesn't really hold water when you look at the way things were run for the first 4 years.

    I see us as being in Year 1, not Year 5. Should it be like that? No. But that's the way it is, thanks to Casserly, Capers, and McNair. The good news is that those responsible for all this mess have now been sacked and replaced with what I feel are competent football people.

    Yes, we are 5 years behind where we should be as a franchise and that BLOWS CHIMPS. But, at least now, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. A light that wasn't there a year ago at this time.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I don't disagree with anything you have just said.....
     
  19. HillBoy

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    Carr did not have "slippery hands" on that fumbled snap. Flanagan admitted that he couldn't hear the snap count and snapped the ball early. Now if you want to point fingers and establish blame, point it at the coaches who: (1) Had them using a verbal instead of silent snap count in that hyper-noisy environment and (2) Running a bootleg on the first play when Indy was looking for just that and not to mention (3) Starting off with play-action passes when no credible running threat had been established thereby making it easy for the Indy to defense to ignore the play-action and concentrate on getting to Carr.

    I'm not implying that Carr is there yet. He still looks rather nervous and shakey out there and does not throw with the confidence and purpose as say Carson Palmer. Now, if the O-line improves and starts to give him time to see the field and the running game actually materializes and he's still looking like the proverbial deer in the headlights, then I will agree that he's damaged goods. But to continue to attack him for lacking the "intangibles" of a Peyton M, Troy A or Tom B is pointless because it's nigh impossible to elevate your team when your ass is getting handed to you on just about every series.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Hillboy, read the thread I have consistently said I think the coaches are not doing the team any favors right now.

    DD
     

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