Northern Germany's largest carnival parade called off due to Islamist terror threat

Islam, Islam , Islam. What is there to debate and discuss at this point??

 

Ya, Islam is a big damn problem today. Obviously many members on this message board still propagate the notion that Islam is inherently peaceful. They will write it off as a "cultural problem" or a "few bad apples" issue but will be rather adamant when a poster criticizes the actual ideology of Islam as if it is a far fetched notion that the actual ideology of the religion has some part in the violence. So there is a very large point of contention here, a point of contention that is fit for a classic D&D poo flinging episode.

 

Religion can bring out the worst in people; especially young, unemployed, highly impressionable men. History is pretty cyclical.

 

And yes Islam is a problem.

 

No one cares.

 

Uhh the dudes that spent their life savings to buy synthetic Molly's to sellto carnival attendees and now owes "el jeffe" $10,000 on credit and doesn't have anyway to unload his product cares... Or so I am told.

 

What we care about is the Crusades.

 

I don't know guys, I'm not comfortable on blaming it on Islam as a religion. Its the Jihadistic muslims that are the real problem and we should address them as they are gaining power thanks to the softness of the west towards them.
My main problem is that I don't hear enough muslims saying they don't want to live under Sharia law.
Not that they condemnd terrorism, that's obvious, but that they don't support the agenda behind it.
The nareative should not be against Islam, but against the Islamistic aspirations of a world wide domination

 

Seriously?? This is pretty bad. I was not aware that there was such a threat in Germany that they had to cancel such an event. I wonder if it is actually a legit threat or overreacting, but I can understand them not wanting to take chances, and they are specialists in this and I am not.

It is sad that these things happen, and the extremists are becoming a bigger problem and should be handled (the big problem is how do you do this efficiently).

That being said I do not care for carnival parades so if they have to cancel something I am glad this is it

 

I can tolerate just about anything, but I wont tolerate bigotry towards carnivals and parades!...

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No. Terrorists with Islamic agendas are the problem. Don't lump in the good Muslim peeps into this, man.

 

This is BS of course. Islam is neither peaceful or violent, neither a problem or a solution. It is simply a religion and it is as prone to being used as an excuse for violence than any other set of beliefs or a hammer or a knife. There are millions of sets of beliefs and thousands of historical examples to show this.

The only way anyone can conclude that Islam in isolation is a problem is if you look at it through a narrow lens of time and place, which defeats the goal of trying to reduce actual violence.

Poor socio/political/economic conditions will lead to violence through hijacking of a belief system - 100% of the time.

A religion that can be interpreted in both peaceful and violent ways will rarely lead to this type of violence, as you can see with Judaism and Christianity today vs in the past.

I think you're not the best person to speak about this because you've experienced Islam at a young age through your family's application of it in the culture of poor socio economic conditions. The other way you've experienced it is as a grown up soldier at war in a foreign territory. Go figure.

There's a very good reason why Muslim-majority countries with better socio-political conditions are less prone to violence, and the reverse is true as well. There's a reason why Emirati Muslims on a scale are less prone to violence than Palestinian Christians. There's a reason why American Muslims in Beverley Hills are less prone to violence than American Christians in all of Detroit.

It must be fun for you guys to prance around and act like this is a problem with religion rather than your countries' annihilation of livelihoods in the Middle East.

The only violence which is a problem to all humans which happens in good socio economic conditions is violence perpetrated by states - those wonderful people you so valiantly fought for. It's a shame I have to come in here and trash something you consider so honorable and for which so many humans in your country have unfortunately and tragically died for, but this is the can of worms you open when you decide to **** on the sacred beliefs of a billion people who you box together. Even though I despise what they believe, I won't in good conscience let you come in here and characterize them as violent brainwashed people because that's horse ****.

Do you know how far this region is from a fair assessment of which INTERNAL factors lead to problems? First a withdrawal of your troops and from your bases. Then decades of innocents and religious extremists dying en mass at the hands of the people you left with money and guns for us to deal with >> this inevitable chapter in Middle Eastern history which I hope I'm not alive to see. Then at least a decade to heal from that and build representative institutions for people and develop people who can represent citizens. THEN. Then we can talk about what the problem is. Till then, we can talk about what things are your fault and what things are our fault, but we're just trying to predict a future situation which neither of us have ever experienced. A place which American left peacefully, never to meddle again, allowed to rebirth itself organically. It's as real to us as the world in which Harry Potter lives.

We're supposed to care that Germans in Germany have threatened violence about a German festival in the North of Germany? The fact that Germany can't control violence from its ow citizens - whatever their beliefs - is really not high on our problems list right now as world citizens. I didn't see ATW posting about the several incidents where nazis and neo nazis in Germany were threatening hardcore violence against Muslims and non-Muslims alike, showing solidarity with other Nazi european parties, actually damaging property, etc. Was that not a problem?

Oh NO. It's Islam. That's the problem in the world right now.

Maybe if you guys would open your eyes a bit you'd see that you and me and Muslims and Christians and Jews and pretty much everyone all have the same "enemies" and it's not each other.

 

Too bad. You might have learned something.

 

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

 

mathloom things in the future will only get worse in that part of the world when they no longer have the ability to get money from oil and gas the poverty will be even worse.

what happens then? i dont really see the middle east or north africa developing a apple, tesla, toyota, volkswagen, or samsung.

 

Well its too bad ATW has failed and the Muslims have. Maybe its just time to submit to Allah.