Maybe that didn't come out right then... But I just didn't want people to think I was hating kim because he was Korean
No one would have thought that, at least me, the token Korean here on this board. There are 9 million reasons to hate him, before thinking about his race. Carry on now.
Right on. Imagine this scenario: US ends the civil war in a tie, the nation completely cut in half and the borders decided by a foreign power. Also imagine that the war is still going on and merely a seize fire is agreed upon and nothing more, in essense, a perpetual stalemate. Further imagine that the leader of the North is the son of the radical leader who started the war, who all his life has been brought to believe that he alone is infallible. No one questions his command, those who do disappear along with their families. Remember also that this is was a brother vs brother war. Families fought and died fighting other family. Families are still torn apart to this very day. In regards to protestors, there is what I like to call the 40 years in the desert factor. Moses led his people in the desert for 40 years not as punishment, but so that an entire generation of people who only knew slavery could die out. These young people who protest, as well as South Korea's new president, know not of the Korean War first hand. It is like the Civil War for us, only history. Lastly, to say that there could be a "winner" or even acceptable losses, using nukes is INCREDIBLY offense to me. Any military conflict in the peninsula would be a devastating tragedy.
I agree with everything you said up to that point. No, I don't want to see war in my motherland, however I don't know how feasible it is to not DO SOMETHING with that bumbling idiot named Kim Il Jong. He's pretty much the same as Saddam. Never make a deal with the Devil. Kim has proven time after time that he isn't trustworthy, and the fact that his country is the 1 full-fledged Communistic country remaining makes me wary of him more than I am with Saddam. What do you think he's building up nukes for? Self confidence? I just get the feeling that if we sit back, Kim will strike at any moment. We'll have to see if the US initiates any action, or if they will take a defensive stance. I really wouldn't be opposed to aggresion against the North. Kim has used his nukes and starving nation as a wildcard/pawn for way too long. He has bough himself enough time to build an arsenal of weapons and nukes. I really think the longer we wait, the stronger he gets. I think of it as getting your wisdom teeth out. It sucks and hurts when you get it out, but in the long run you prevent more pain from occuring.
I think you have to look at what each country needs. The U.S. needs control of the nuclear material N. Korea needs to feed their people and build their country N. Korea needs money N. Korea wants to feel safe and secure N. Korea wants more power Is there a way to provide this environment? It would seem so. Korea is allowed to go Nuclear. The U.N. controls the nuclear plants and material. All profits go to Korea for use as they see fit. Hopefully they will use that money to build their infrastructure and feed their people. U.N. pressure could force this. The Appropriate Nations belonging to the U.N. agree to provide N. Korea with a defense should anyone invade their boundaries or destroy their interests. North Korea can begin to build and actual infrastructure that will lead them to greater power and influence. Any breech of this agreement is a breach of a U.N. resolution and is an act of war. Failure to agree to any of this means two things. N. Korea wants to sell their nuclear material to terrorists. N. Korea wants to become an offensive threat. Failure to agree means we go to war now because their intention are not honorable.
If Kim REALLY gave a damn about the starvation, he would have sacrificed a few nukes, for the survival of his nation. He doesn't give a rat's ass about starvation. Kim likes things the way they are. He is living fine, which is all that matters to him. He has his grand army, and his nukes, that's all he cares about. Kim already feels like he has enough power. He has the South full of Koreans who want to reunite with the North.
it is the same as saying if american really give a damn about the starvation of the iraqis children or the north korean , they wouldnt put sanction on them n sacrafice thier safty or power a little for the surival of those hungry peoples!
*Tap!* *Tap!* *Tap!* Damnit, let's get back to reality people. A baseline has already been established. Work from there. Fantasyland is reserved for the glynches. You people can actually think, so don't drag yourselves down. Carry on...
from fatfatcow it is the same as saying if american really give a damn about the starvation of the iraqis children or the north korean , they wouldnt put sanction on them n sacrafice thier safty or power a little for the surival of those hungry peoples! First of all we have been giving a lot of food aid to North Korea over the years read the 1994 agreement that we had with them Kim takes the food that we gave him and feeds his army who to blame North Korea Second under the UN sanctions there is no limit on how much food Iraq can buy with its oil reserves and most of the world are ignoring the sanctions anyway you don't think Sodam can feed his people he can but he doesn't want to he wants to build weapons and palaces for him self with the money then blame America when his people are hungry who is to blame Iraq fatfat cow your argument has very little creadibility even the chinese goverment would disgree but you would get alot of suport from stupid hollywood actors like sheen and penn
how ironic that it's coming from a poster named "fatfatcow". You just made my point for me. Kim and Saddam use starving people, kids, women, etc as PAWNS and human shields. They know that the US would be hesitant to stave off starving people, or cut off supply etc. It's funny that it seems like you blame the US for the problems caused by Saddam and Kim.
u dont get the point do u, the american know what these sanction will do , they know exactly whats going to happan but the american still sacrafice the peoples to prove their point!! so they have just as much resopnsiblily as these leader for the dead from starvation!!! its nt that american are so naive that donest think the sanction will starve the people since kim n saddam will play their game to blame america right , so why still do it to make sure those peoples will starve to dead to proof these leader are bad ass when everyone already knew??
I have to agree with kid on this fatfat, I think it is "u" who doesn't get the point... These are economic sanctions, ie restricting TRADE, and as is the case with North Korea (which is what we are discussing here) we have given million of tons of food aid to the North Koreran government to FEED THEIR STARVING PEOPLE and they hoard it for their soldiers. Thus it is NOT, I say again, NOT our fault that they are starving. To say that it is anyway shape or form not completely Kim Jong Il's fault that his people are starving shows me that you don't really know what you are talking about here. Secondly, I agree that something must be done about Kim and soon, but this and the Iraq situation are just TOO different to be comparing them. The one thing that we do need to do in both situations is not to underestimate these guys. Saddam and Kim have been around for decades for a reason. To call Kim a bumbling idiot simplifies it a bit (BTW kidrock8, I doubt that was your intent, and you would call him every nasty thing in hangul if ya think anybody else here would understand) and some on the board not as familiar with the region as you and I are might miss that point.
