No Verlander Appreciation Thread Needed

Greinke can’t be offered a QO since he was offered one previously. But yes, getting 2 extra 2nd round picks for Verlander and Correa would be sweet.

 

What time would the parade be?

 

I've been saying for months baby, we're going back to the WS this year.

 

Sorry for the bump here, but just had a thought/question.

If JV agreed to add a "wink wink" player option to his existing deal - say 1 year $6MM - how would that impact his current $66MM deal? Would the AAV be $24MM ($72/3) for tax purposes (a savings of $9MM this year)? Would the Astros get hit with an adjustment in '23 if JV goes ahead and declines the player option and opts into Free Agency? Do we have Bimathug in this part of the BBS?

Go 'stros!!

 

I am not really sure, @Joe Joe is usually really knowledgeable about the CBA stuff, hopefully he can chime in.

 

It wouldn't. The new AAV would take effect when the extension starts.

"A team's Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player's contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. Every team's final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season. (Note: If a player signs a contract extension that doesn't kick in until a later season, his AAV for the purposes of the CBT doesn't change until the new deal begins.)"

 

But does a team have the ability to determine when an extension “kicks in”? I feel like I have seen deals that replace existing contracts.

 

I can't see why they would. It kicks in when the currently agreed years are over.

 

Yeah, that's the question - can the two parties get creative in a way that would buy some more breathing room under the cap this year? Think of it as JV's contribution to another deep run this year

 

This might be the difference in the early/pre-arb extensions versus existing contracts? Those pre-arb guys aren't necessarily "under contract" until they sign a long-term deal? Guessing it has to do with the club controlled designation?

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/angels-nearing-extension-with-mike-trout.html

For example, I am pretty sure Mike Trouts 12 year extension replaced the remaining 2 years on his deal and for luxury tax purposes it was a 14 year deal. But again I am not an expert on the CBA details and could be wrong.

 

Even the pre arb guys don't have their current year tax figure changed. A pre arb player is under contract, albeit for one season.

If they sign a big extension to buy out team control, it doesn't take effect until the following season.

 

Before talking about any extensions it might make sense to see if he can pitch. I'm not even talking about his arm holding up after TJ (which is another entire issue).

What kind of stuff will he have without the sticky stuff?? I have no idea if he used it and if so how much. I want Strom watching him to see what he has before they ever start talking about $$.

 

I think the issue might be that the season has already started. Trout's deal was signed prior to the season and changed (reduced) his salary in the upcoming season and put more on the back end. If JV were to sign an extension, I don't think he could change anything about his 2021 salary.

 

In the scenario I tossed out, it'd be a ridiculously low number for the PO that he wouldn't exercise. This would just be to give some headroom under the CBT this year.

Agreed on anything more substantive.

 

During the offseason, the extension can either be a new deal after old deal or tear up the old deal. During the season, I don't know explicitly. Though, MLB has power to prevent circumvention of the luxury tax which this would definitely be.

 

Maybe make the PO equivalent to the estimated QO for '22? Just trying to get creative