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No Tmac, no Artest, no Ariza, no Yao..the Rockets are boring once again

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by W22_STREAK, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. AQS18

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    Dude, just give up! Ariza was and will never be that go to guy!
     
  2. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

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    Learn to read?

    I never said Ariza was meant to be our go-to guy. I mentioned McGrady in that post, not Ariza. I'm simply we lack a go-to guy.
     
  3. thetatomatis

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    Brooks took over and made many 4th quarter buckets. In the clutch? Yao is good for the final minutes if you need a bucket or two. Martin? Alot of options. Three stars equal more than just one superstar to me. If it was just Brooks and Martin I would agree. Its not though.
     
  4. W22_STREAK

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    The thing is we don't even know if Yao will be on the court in those clutch situations though...

    Its interesting because you say Brooks made many 4th quarter baskets...but in that case is Carl Landry clutch too??? Because for most of the season last season he was in the top2 in scoring in the fourth quarter? I highly doubt you will pass the ball to him and wait for him to come up with the game-winning basket when you team is down 1 with 10 seconds to go.

    Brooks was forced to be the clutch leader of the team because he had was forced into that role...cos we really had no other better options to score in the clutch. Brooks was the best perimeter scorer so naturally he got the nod to be the man taking important shots in clutch situations. But would he be doing that on any championship-calibre team?

    Brooks and Martin are fine scorers, but they are not skilled or consistent enough to be depended on when we really need that basket. sure, they've made some clutch shots in their career..but then again do they have that "clutch" reputation? Can they hit those high-difficulty shots that stars like andre iguodala and kobe has been hitting for their gamewinners?
     
  5. sew

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    wow u need to give it up, you're not helping your argument any.
     
  6. Fyreball

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    If you want stars, go root for the Heat. T-Mac NEVER embodied what this team is about. Your description of him makes it sound like we were INCHES from getting to the Finals, when in reality, he never took us closer than a Game 7 in the first round.

    Artest was a one-year rental who was SUPPOSED to be a third option to Yao and T-Mac, and unfortunately had to take on a much greater role due to injuries. While I appreciated his time here, I wouldn't necessarily say I miss him in a Rockets uniform. He did his job while he was here, and he also had some really knuckle-headed moments. He was what he was....he was never what you're making him out to be.

    Ariza?? Are you serious?? The best player on this team?? The fact that you're clamoring for NAMES tells me everything about what you KNOW about basketball. Ariza was NEVER a fit for this team. He had ZERO handles, BAD shooting, and NO basketball IQ. You're insulting Scola, Brooks, and even someone like Budinger by bringing his name into the conversation. I seriously hope you're like 14 years old and just have no understanding of the game, because otherwise....SMH.
     
  7. jevjnd

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    The only problem is that those thunderous dunks have turned into thunderous rejections going the other way now. We may have been able to get Mac back. The only problem is that he's now a veteran minimum player.

     
  8. MajorSeanBond

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    Congrats on making possibly the dumbest statement I'll hear all month.

    W22_STREAK IQ < 0
     
  9. W22_STREAK

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    LOOOOOOL...ok?

    So far really I've presented my argument nice and clearly,,,and the response I'm seeing? Nothing more than a few lines of ..."ariza sucks..period...ur wrong and im right...what u are saying is laughable...."

    sure I'll be convinced by that kind of rebuttal...
     
  10. W22_STREAK

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    Huh? What do you mean by "thunderous rejections?"
     
  11. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

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    Thank you very much for making the most well-supported and presenting the strongest rebuttal to a disagreement I'll hear all month.

    You are indeed a great debater.

    in that case, I'll play your awesome mature well thought out game...

    UR MOM.
     
  12. W22_STREAK

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    The HEAT will go much further than the Rockets this year.

    That's enough argument right there.

    Ariza wasn't the most skilled player on the team, but he was easily the most talented player on this team. And talent wins championships.

    During a season in which he shot a miserable 39.5 percent from the field and showed a complete inability to create offense for himself and others, the signing of Trevor Ariza looked like a borderline disaster. Ariza played poorly in his role with the Rockets, but more importantly, the Rockets missed the playoffs for the first time under Rick Adelman.

    After an outrageously good start, Ariza’s production came down to Earth. As in, way down. He shot in the 30’s percentage wise for the entire season after the first month, struggled with turnovers, and disgusted Rockets' fans with awkward off-balance shots that had no chance of going in. Suddenly, the five year, $33 million investment the Rockets made on Ariza was not looking good.

    After this rough stretch, it became evident that Ariza is never going to be the go-to player or the number one scorer on the Rockets. He simply does not possess the coordination to create offense for himself against high-pressure defenses to be that kind of player. He constantly dribbled into trouble or had nowhere to go in midair, turning the ball over countless times as a result.

    Then after a hip injury sidelined Ariza, things went from bad to worse for the Rockets, as they embarked on a season-crippling losing streak without Ariza and Kyle Lowry. What the Rockets learned during this losing streak was that while Ariza is never going to be a star, he is a huge contributor and is crucial to the Rockets’ success.

    What makes this season’s statistics so easy to throw out is that for the majority of the season Ariza was thrust into a role that the team had not planned on him filling after they signed him. He was the team’s second or third scorer for most of the year, and simply could not perform well enough in that role.

    When he finally began to fill the role that the team originally envisioned for him, as the “utility guy”, he actually performed very well. Every team must have a great utility guy, a player who can play without the ball and still be successful. And Ariza fits perfectly in this role. He plays excellent defense (he still gambles a bit too much), can make open three pointers, and slashes extremely well.

    With Yao Ming potentially back in the fold next year along with Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks on the wing, the pressure on Ariza will be significantly lessened and he will be back in the role that he thrived in during his tenure with Los Angeles, not being forced to create offense for himself but depended upon to hit open shots and make key defensive plays.

    After being eliminated from playoff contention, Ariza and Kevin Martin both returned healthy enough to give the Rockets a sneak peek of what the wings could potentially look like next year, and the returns were very good for Houston. No longer forced to create offense for himself at all times, Ariza picked his spots and looked very impressive, scoring more efficiently while rebounding and assisting much more effectively.

    Instead of an offensively inept defensive specialist as a “utility man” like Kelvin Cato (or Shane Battier), Ariza’s future is so promising because he has a much higher upside offensively than they do. He has the makings of an adequate offensive game and Daryl Morey describes him as a “top five wing defender”. While that might be a bit of a stretch, he and Battier are in similar leagues as defenders, and if he can get rid of some of his more bone-headed mistakes on offense, he can basically become Super Shane Battier 2.0.

    At just $6 million a year, that is a bargain, especially for a 24-year-old with athleticism and potential for improvement. He may never be an All-Star, but he will be the Rockets’ next great role player.
     
  13. marky :)

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    I dont understand your logic of brooks being forced to be the "clutch" guy. Isn't that how most clutch players fall into that category. I mean players like T-mac in his prime was the most qualified to take the last shot becuase noone else could do it so isn't that the same thing? No one else can do it so Brooks has to do it and has stepped up and hit those shots. Hes only been around in the league for a few seasons and he has stepped up to hit clutch shots when needed. And Ariza wasn't even close to being the best player last year on this team. He shot a horrible shooting percentage and he jacked up shots that disrupted the flow of the offense. I do commend his athleticism and defensive abilities but Brooks and Scola are far more qualified as the "best player" on the rockets last season.
     
  14. larsv8

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    This boy is on crack.

    I will ask again....for the third time in this thread.

    What is Ariza talented at?
     
  15. edwardc

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    DRUGS ARE BAD
     
  16. ezzie

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    ariza?! child-please, SCOLA was the best player last season, maybe landry b4 the trade, but ariza is gone now so get ovr yer love 4 him.

    your original statement is that without superstars the rockets will be boring this season.
    i contest that without superstars the rockets will be an engaging, exciting TEAM, we saw a preview of what could be during the pacers game, and the second nets game in china, where every night a different player could go off (brad miller leads in assists?! :eek: )
    this isnt yer usual nba team where you have 1 or 2 superstars and a bunch of mediocre players surrounding them. (i'm lookin @ you cleaveland, n where did that get them?) but rather an ensamble of many borderline all-stars, it worked 4 the pistons, lets hope it works 4 the rockets

    get over your t-mac n ariza love, they are GONE! check out our fresh group of up-n-coming ballers, just add water stir n enjoy! :cool:
     
  17. wikiwiki

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    What do you define as "talent"? I think you need to look that up in the dictionary, because it's impossible by definition to have "talent" without "skill".

    You can be skilled but not talented, but not the other way around.
     
  18. sew

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    I will ask, for a third time.

    How does Ariza's "BRILLIANT AURA" help a team win? How does his "BRILLIANT AURA" lighten up a team?

    I don't understand.

    Talent wins championships? Cool, we have A LOT of talent on our team.

    K-Mart has more "talent" then Ariza
    Brooks has more "talent" then Ariza
    Scola has more "talent" then Ariza
    Yao has more "talent" then Ariza
    C. Lee has more "talent" then Ariza
     
  19. thetatomatis

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    This I agree with^^.
     
  20. david_rocket

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    Scola and Brooks were the best players last year, you can see it in stats.
    Scola has more passion and hustle than Ariza.
    Now if the Hornets do something next season, you will say it was because they had Ariza, and you will say Chris Paul is not the most talented player in that team.

    You can go and root for your boy Ariza on the Hornets, so get out of here.
     

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