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No Tmac, no Artest, no Ariza, no Yao..the Rockets are boring once again

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by W22_STREAK, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

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    Ariza was, and is, probably the most underrated athlete in the NBA. Bad shot-selection or not, scoring machine or not, his athleticism needs to be appreciated. I'm not talking about the athletic monsters like Dwight, Vince, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Iggy, McGrady, Nate, or Spudd. I'm talking about little known ballers who are the real deal. I'm talking about those monsters who dunk with limitless power, smoothness, or explosiveness. Those who dunk like acrobats. Those who deny shots with emphatic swats. Those who run as fast as mustangs. Those who leap as high as Jordan and Vince. The most athletic unknown stars of the NBA.
    At 6'8, this guy can dunk. He is fast, and a creative dunker. Ariza lives up to his nickname, the "Poster-Maker". Ariza has great, quick hands and is regarded as one of the best thieves in the NBA.

    The reason you are thinking he shoots like "****"......Is totally due to his shot-selection. Nothing else. He is a very good shooter when he picks his spots and does what he does best. Obviously pullup jumpers and turnaround baseline fadeaways aren't his forte, but when he sticks to his strengths, he can light it up as good as anyone on our team apart from Aaron/KMart/Yao.
    Its no surprise he shot 39 percent from the 3 after the Kmart trade.
     
  2. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

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    Hey troll...if u think im rollin' and trollin'..then wtf did u bother to reply to my thread??? obviously u think my thread is legit.

    end of story, stupid troll
     
  3. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

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    Lets see...

    As a passer, he’s pretty good. He has an assist rate of 18%, which is well above the league average for small forwards of 13%, and that’s been consistent across the board, regardless of where he’s played. His turnover rate is slightly below average for his career, and even doing too much in Houston last year caused him to fall only slightly worse than the league average.

    defensively is where Ariza has made his reputation, and he is clearly better than average. He’s tremendous as a ballhawk, grabbing about 50% more than the normal rate of steals for a small forward, and he’s about average as a shotblocker. As a Laker, the team’s defense declined slightly(-.6 per 100 posessions) when Ariza stepped on the floor, and again, as a Rocket, the same thing happened. However, in both of those situations, he’s spelling noted defenders Shane Battier, Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom, so it’s not surprising there’s a decline. The fact that he matches those players defensively is something to be pleased with.

    Trevor Ariza is actually a very versatile player – and capable of playing either wing position, or even was used by Adelman at times to bring up the ball.

    So can we stop concentrating all our judgments on SCORING???
     
  4. Kojirou

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    Why?
    Why do I need to appreciate good athletes in basketball? I would rather respect guys who get out there and win more. Is Swift to be more respected then Scola because he can dunk a ball really well, even though a dunk and layup are both 2 points? Is there nothing interesting in watching Scola completely outsmart his defender and get a layup? Maybe to someone with absolutely shallow tastes, those who view Iverson as one of the GOATs or who watch Sportscenter, that matters. But to one whom, well, can actually comprehend the game, it is more interesting to watch a Scola layup then a Swift dunk, as we know that will be generally more productive and will lead to winning. And I want a team that can win. If I wanted to watch highlight reels or big stats, I would be a fan of the Warriors, or the Superfriends. But that is not the Rockets. We are a team that cares and that fights, and that is what I want. That has been our mentality since T-Crap left, and God I enjoy it.
     
  5. tcadriel

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    Your exactly right about this. Why bother?

    Not any more, you've lost all credibltiy in regards to anything basketball, IMO. I will now ad you to my ignore list so I won't have to endure the stupidity of anymore of your posts. Thanks.

    BTW the way, I did read a few pages for many laughs at your expense. LOL

    My question would be,
    Does that shoe coming out hurt as much as it did going in?
     
  6. dachuda86

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    dude... Ariza is horrible. Stop... seriously.
     
  7. rhino17

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    Smoothness and Ariza in the same sentence??????

    I will say this like I said from day 1. ARIZA IS NOT ATHLETIC. A LARGE component of athleticism is coordination and he had absolutely zero. He has no body control at all
     
  8. dachuda86

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    OK please lock this garbage thread... seriously... it's clearly a troll.
     
  9. coachbadlee

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    Like they say, can't have positive without the negative.
     
  10. thetatomatis

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    I know what you are syaing OP. I have that feeling as well because I always like real flashy things. I always want overkill and more. The reality is this is a very well constructed team with alot of moving parts that make it very effective though. Its complicated because of its depth. Not very exciting because nobody is clearly the Superstar but everyone can go off in spurts at some point in each quarter of the game. Can be 2nd best in Western Conference to some experts surprise i am sure. Wont be surprising to me. I just feel we need a defined closer still. Are we Elite? Maybe we are. I just like to put it out of question and have too much.
     
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    What good is this smooth athletic dunking when you can't dribble worth a damn?
     
  12. W22_STREAK

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    LMAOOOO........Trevor Ariza is not athletic???!!!!!\\

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......still can't stop laughing......



    .How co-ordinated was Desmond Mason? How co-ordinated was Eddie Griffin??? And you are going to go ahead and call them unathletic too?

    LOL.
     
  13. W22_STREAK

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    How does that matter anyways? TREVOR doesn't NEED to dribble and he preferably should keep dribbling to a minimum. He only had to create shots and become the T-Mac of the team because he was forced into the role. Its like when Allen Iverson left Philadelphia Andre Iguodala had to resume the role of AI, but not by choice or natural progression, but more because of how the circumstances forced him.

    I'm not calling for Trevor to become the next Dwayne Wade. In fact in an ideal world he would start but would never be the top 3 offensive option on the team. Just like this years team...He could remain back after Yao, Kmart, and Luis and Aaron have taken their share of shots and then grab the rest of the offensive responsibilties. And he doesn't exactly have to dribble like the AND1 king to do that.
     
  14. rhino17

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    You cannot be a great athlete without great coordination. I have never seen someone with so little body control be considered "athletic" before.

    Someone lacking any semblance of coordination, quickness, or mobility cannot seriously be considered athletic.

    He can jump higher than Battier so he is valuable? I don't buy it
     
  15. don grahamleone

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    Dukie22_Streak,

    You are making this break up really difficult. Please. Stop. Responding. It's too difficult for me. Your posts are too well thought out and too inspirational. I can't take it anymore. Just let us move on with Brooks, Scola, Lowry and Yao without you.
     
  16. YaoMingsSoulja

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    This thread is really lame. you make no good points, and the rockets are not only gonna be the most exciting to watch in awhile but there gonna have there best season under adelman this year so get this thread off the forums. its getting annoying
     
  17. coachbadlee

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    Spoken like a true Soulja! Welcome. :grin:
     
  18. Apps

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    To the OP, I disagree with the last part of your post. This team does have fury. This team does have passion. This team will be entertaining and exciting.

    However, I think he makes a few good points. The NBA IS a star-dominated league, and if the Rockets want to become serious Championship contenders, they will have to acquire one (presumably through trade). I have no problem with that, because I, along with I'm sure many others, believe that Morey has the assets and know-how to accomplish such a thing. And it's not like Morey hadn't/sn't been trying to pick up some great players thus far anyway. I think it's pretty clear to both the fans and the FO that the Rockets are still a big move away from becoming a powerhouse.

    However, comparing this team to the teams with T-Mac, Artest, and Ariza is completely backwards in my opinion. The T-Mac experiment failed badly and sputtered year after year although it became painfully obvious at the end that it was not going to work out after all. Artest was a rental that brought an edge to the team, but also threw up waaay too many bad shots. Ariza, like Artest, threw up terrible shots as well and simply couldn't accept his role and operate as an effective team player.

    This team might not have the star-power to push it over the edge, but it sure as hell is one of the most well-rounded and deep teams in the entire league and if they have as good a season as many here are expecting them to have, they might even secure a respectable playoff spot. There is nothing to be ashamed of in regards to this team. They play hard-nosed basketball, they hustle, they can run fast breaks, they have a couple of solid defenders... should be a fun year.
     
  19. dachuda86

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    and smart without dumb
     
  20. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

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    If you are trying to imply I am dumb here, then please note that just because one persons opinion differs from yours does not mean they are so-called, "dumb".

    I've provided enough evidence to show my argument is very valid. Not sure why you'd say its "dumb".

    :rolleyes: :confused: :(
     

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