I find it very hard to get an "O" when standing. Who can blame Bush for not wanting to stand and get an "O". DD
treeman, i dont know if you got my point. i have nothing against any of the soldiers going into iraq. but i do have something against our government. is bush and cheney and all the people sending young men and women into war...are they going to go to war? bush is gonna stay home. he's not gonna die, by any means. i apologize if i offended you because you are in the army, but i didnt mean to. did i say anything about spitting on soldiers? i really dont agree with what bush is doing right now, i belive it's wrong, and i belive most of the world is against it. the people going to war...any of them might die because of this, and i dont belive it is a just cause. i also wanted to say that us high schoolers are this country and this world's future. ugh. im staying out of political discussions. no more. i'll go back to reading the 'trade steve' posts now.
Jello77, don't let that guy scare you away from expressing your views on important issues, like war, that will affect everyone from high schoolers, elderly, middle aged adults and children. War has consequences for all age groups including yourself. Keep speaking your mind, because if someone doesn't like what your saying they WILL find a way to discredit you. This time he picked your age, if you were out of high school that guy would have tried to discredit you because you weren't in the military...it's a no win situation. You saw how mature he was in his reply to you. Don't sweat it and keep saying what you feel.
I saw that. Which still, in my eyes, does not make actions of spitting on or anything along those lines tolerable. That makes absolutely no sense what so ever! a) You stating "this is not Viet Nam" implies that treatment of Soldiers back then was justified or is acceptable to you. b) Our Armed Forces do not go to war without orders of a Commander in Chief how was Vietnam different from this potential or any war? Sure, it was a different war, but regardless, the fight is the same. The vets of that and any war are fighting on behalf of our Country. They do not make the policy, they protect the Country and carry out the orders of the President. So please help me to understand what is meant by "this is not Viet Nam." Vietnam, Gulf War, Korean War and so on, it does not have a bearing on the situation, so why the comment? I may not understand your point here. Please again try to tell me what you are saying b/c unless this is a misunderstanding, I find that statement to be a little odd.
That "royal crap" is a life peerage. Which means an honour bestowed on an individual by the nation. It can be given to anyone. Shirley Williams is left-leaning, but a well-respected political figure in this country. http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0852338.html
Bailey, Happen to have The House of Commons on right now while I work. (BTW, why does one lose their wit with a trip across the Atlantic? Our politicians are dry as chalk.) I always have been entertained by the PMs, and Jack Straw is showing a prodigious capacity at the moment. I'm glad that the UK is such a close ally of the US...even with all the 'royal crap'
The House of Commons is very entertaining live too. You get a real impression of what a rabble they are. As far as the "royal crap", I'm actually a republican (note the small R), but ironically life peerages are about the only part of that whole system that retain credibility. Many ex-politicians, PMs and public figures receive that honour, and can continue to have a formal forum for discussing current issues in the House of Lords (which is a lot more sedate to watch!)
That's not what I meant. I'm not sure how you assumed that when I already stated that I do not condone spitting on soldiers. I already explained that I made the assumption that Treeman was referring to VN when he mentioned spitting on soldiers. Like I said I was unaware that this was happening now. Again, my bad for making the wrong assumption. Not sure how to convince you otherwise. I never said it was different. I clearly stated that soldiers do not make the decisions to start conflicts/wars. Again, you assumed wrong in this case. Same missunderstanding as above. Look, this all started with my wrong assumption that Treeman was referring to VN when he mentioned being spit on. I did not (and still haven't) heard or seen reports about current soldiers being spit on. I don't know how many times I can say that this action is wrong. I even gave my reason as to why this is wrong. I have no idea why you are having such a hard time understanding this. You took my statement and made the wrong assumption (just as I apparently did) and you ran with it.
On the royal thing, I don't care what a Baroness is, it's still a title representative of an aristocracy. We may have the same thing here, but at least we hide it well. On the soldier thing, not all military folks think like Treeman... March 10, 2003 The Honorable George W. Bush President of the United States of America 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500 Dear Mr. President: We, the undersigned veterans who have served our country in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the 1991 Gulf War and other military conflicts, respectfully request an opportunity to meet with you about the threat of war between the United States and Iraq. Mr. President, we are patriotic citizens and veterans who respect the office of the President and the ethics and values binding us together as Americans. As such, we feel duty-bound to share with you our serious concerns regarding issues of national security, the appropriate use of our military strength, and the health and welfare of our active duty soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. Those of us who are veterans of the 1991 Gulf War can offer particular insight into the ongoing troubles in the Middle East, and the likely consequences of another war in that volatile region. A dozen years ago, we helped liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation, and in the course of combat operations came face to face with brutality and the consequences of modern warfare. We learned how unpredictable the nature of war can be. And we learned that war-related losses are not simply experienced on the battlefield. Following the 1991 Gulf War, we collectively failed to prevent Saddam Hussein’s violent repression of a popular uprising and the unprecedented refugee flight that ensued. As a result, tens of thousands of innocent civilians died. In addition to those deaths, the war and immediate post-war conditions resulted in the excess deaths of 46,900 children under the age of five, according to the New England Journal of Medicine (September 24, 1992). Over the long term, the 1991 Gulf War has had a lasting, detrimental impact on the health of countless people in the region, and on the health of American men and women who served there. Twelve years after the conflict, over 164,000 American Gulf War veterans are now considered disabled by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. That number increases daily. The possibility of large-scale war between the U.S. and Iraq looms before us once again. For this urgent reason we would like to meet with you to discuss steps the United States and its allies can take to protect U.S. soldiers, allied forces, and Iraqi civilians from known and suspected hazards that would result from military operations. We understand the risks that come with war and that there are times when such risks are necessary. However, we strongly question the need for a war at this time. Despite Secretary of State Colin Powell’s report to the Security Council and the testimony of others in the administration, we are not convinced that coercive containment has failed, or that war has become necessary. Our own intelligence agencies have consistently noted both the absence of an imminent threat from Iraq and reliable evidence of cooperation between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Again, we question whether this is the right time and the right war. Further, we believe the risks involved in going to war, under the unclear and shifting circumstances that confront us today, are far greater than those faced in 1991. Instead of a desert war to liberate Kuwait, combat would likely involve protracted siege warfare, chaotic street-to-street fighting in Baghdad, and Iraqi civil conflict. If that occurs, we fear our own nation and Iraq would both suffer casualties not witnessed since Vietnam. We fear the resulting carnage and humanitarian consequences would further devastate Iraqi society and inflame an already volatile Middle East, and increase terrorism against U.S. citizens. Our concerns about the potential human and material costs of a military conflict in Iraq are well substantiated. In the event of a war, the UN warns that 1.26 million children under the age of 5 in Iraq will be at risk of death. Within the initial weeks of conflict, the World Health Organization estimates 500,000 Iraqis would need immediate medical attention. Ten million Iraqis would need immediate humanitarian assistance and over 2 million Iraqis would be made homeless. The scale of the crisis would be so large that the international community would be unable to prevent widespread suffering. For these reasons and more, it remains in our nation’s best interest to avoid another war. The risk of excessive civilian casualties like those predicted by the UN pose a grave risk to our national security, making the U.S. more of a target of retaliatory attacks by terrorists. Mr. President, as our Commander-in-Chief, we recognize the immense responsibility you have to protect our homeland and keep our nation secure. As veterans who honorably served our nation in its wars, we believe that our perspectives, knowledge and expertise can aid you at this crucial time, as you continue to deliberate on whether or not to commit our nation to war. We therefore request a meeting at your earliest possible convenience. We look forward to any opportunity to come together with you to discuss the matters we have raised. Sincerely, Vice Admiral Ralph Weymouth, USN, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, USN, Retired Brigadier General Evelyn P. Foote, USA, Retired Colonel David H. Hackworth, USA, Retired Colonel Larry Williams, USMC, Retired Colonel James E Unterseher, USA, Retired Colonel James B. Burkholder, USA, Retired Colonel Roger F. Strand, USAF, Retired Colonel Virginia A. Metcalf, USA, Retired Colonel Mary H. Yeakel, USA, Retired Colonel Henrik O. Lunde, USA, Retired Colonel Bruce S. Jarstfer, USA, Retired Colonel Thomas Patrick Chisholm, USA, Retired Colonel James Steven Chandler, USA Colonel James J. Kent, USA, Retired Colonel Grace E. Squires, USA, Retired Colonel Carol Anne O’Donnell, USA, Retired Captain Kris Kristofferson, USA, Retired Captain Thomas C. Tindall Jr., USNR, Retired Captain Herbert A. Blough, USN, Retired Captain M. David Preston, USCG Lieutenant Colonel Elizabeth K. McGillicuddy, USMC, Retired Lieutenant Colonel Ron T. Coley, USMC, Retired Lieutenant Colonel Walter M. Langford, USAF, Retired Lieutenant Colonel Ben T. Granade, Jr., USAF, Retired Lieutenant Colonel Frank L. Houde, USAF, Retired Lieutenant Colonel Richard M. 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and more signatures... Lieutenant Thomas M. Liston USN Lieutenant John Dobson West USN Lieutenant Jerome P. Wallingford USN Lieutenant David Felix USN Lieutenant Michael Jay Herbert USN Lieutenant John Orrin Purkey USN Lieutenant Ricki J. Estes USN Lieutenant Walter E. Ziegenhals USN Lieutenant Frank Lloyd Kramer, Jr. USN Lieutenant Harvey Bennett USN Lieutenant William R. Jones USN Lieutenant Gilbert Marek Zemansky USN Lieutenant Jordan R. Carpenter USN Lieutenant Gerald A Burnett USN Lieutenant John Edward Houx USN Lieutenant Michael Bruce Elder USN Lieutenant Kenneth L. Lang USN Lieutenant Francis C. Zanger (Chaplain Corps) USN Lieutenant Michelle Birdseye, M.D. USN Lieutenant Robert James Bournique USN Lieutenant Glen N. Foss USN Lieutenant Benjamin Senauer USN Lieutenant Chris Gleason USMC Lieutenant Douglas Timothy McGetchin USMC Lieutenant John Stoddard Glascock Senior USCG Lieutenant Albert C. Germann USAF Lieutenant Timothy L. Hanley USAF Lieutenant John T. Urban USAF Lieutenant William Henry Reynolds USAF Lieutenant J.E.O'Kelly McCluskey USAF Lieutenant Alex Wormser USAF Lieutenant William Spencer Hall USAF Lieutenant Roderick D Raabe USAF Lieutenant Roger Fitch USAF Lieutenant Dr. Charles DeFreitas USAF Lieutenant Barry Wolfer USAF Lieutenant Robert Lowell Hickerson USAF Lieutenant Danny Paul Dennis USAF Lieutenant John Milton Wallace USA Lieutenant Steven Richard Cartwright USA Lieutenant Robert F. Hornbeck USA Lieutenant Richard Kenny Sink USA Lieutenant Donald Pinkel USA Lieutenant James F Balderson USA Lieutenant Steven Eli Schanes USA Lieutenant Hugh Scanlen USA Lieutenant Barry Dixon Copp USA Lieutenant Ellie Kennedy USA Lieutenant Todd Stuart Kneeland USA Lieutenant Charles DePuy USA Lieutenant Patrick Maurice Flannery USA Lieutenant Dennis Spector USA Lieutenant Alta J. Minthorn Stephens USA Lieutenant Henry W. Plohr USA Lieutenant Michael J. Sebetich USA Lieutenant John DuBois USA Lieutenant Harold Glickman USA Lieutenant James L. Sheehan USA Lieutenant David L. Harten USA Lieutenant Randall Joel Hain USA Lieutenant Gary Eschman USA Lieutenant Roger Simon USA Lieutenant Robert Lloyd Stebbins USA Lieutenant Reysha Silverhair, formerly Hoyt Sherman Griffith USA Lieutenant Douglas Parker Shaw USA Lieutenant William M. Whitby USA Lieutenant Robert W. Buttel USA Lieutenant Thomas W. Shepard, Jr. USA Lieutenant William J. Simmons, Sr. USA Lieutenant Robert M. Land, USA Lieutenant Edmund William Hoelker, USAF Lieutenant Junior Grade Arthur Lewis Solomon, USCG Lieutenant Junior Grade Joe Martin Cantrell, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Richard Ralph Groseclose, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Robert A. Collins, USCG Lieutenant Junior Grade Bruce S. Ertle, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Charles H Nadler, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Richard Fredrick Hickey, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Gregory H. Carter, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Jeff Markell, USCG Lieutenant Junior Grade John Ise Jr, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade DeWitt Linn Sage, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Craig A. Bicknell, USN Lieutenant Junior Grade Charlton M. Lewis, USN Command Sergeant Major Robert Grover Smith, Jr., USA, Retired Aerographer's mate third class Alice B. Gilmore, USN Airman Albert W. Wilson, USAF Airman Aram Attarian II, USAF Airman Cheryl Davis, USA Airman David Alan Dix, USAF Airman French Tickner, USN Airman Irvan F. Adams, USAF Airman James F. McGowen, USN Airman James J. Hogan, USAF Airman John Paul Coakley, USAF Airman John Stephen Pielaszczyk, USAF Airman Joseph S. Sims, USAF Airman Joseph Wistar Huey III, USAF Airman Lewis Kirk, USAF Airman Mark Torrey, USAF Airman Mazie H. Todd (Rogers), USAF Airman Merl Moncer, USAF Airman Michael P.Corridon, USAF Airman Michael R. Philiben, USAF Airman Pedro Rivera, USAF Airman Philip G. Brown, USAF Airman Robert J. Hoffmeister, USAF Airman Robert T.Hogan, USAF Airman Roger Peirce, USAF Airman Ronald Bostick, USAF Airman Steven T Raynis, USAF Airman Timothy Charles Frazer, USAF Airman William H. Davis, USAF Airman William J Leary, USAF
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Hull, USA Corporal Ernest Goitein, USA Corporal Fred Pipkin, USA Corporal George J. Bryjak, USMC Corporal George S. Sutherland, USA, Retired Corporal George Valle Jr., USA Corporal Gregory Gerald Boyer, USMC Corporal Harold G. Schneider, USA Corporal Heather Radcliffe, USMC Corporal Herman Milton Heyn, USA Corporal Jack Earl Holman, USA Corporal Jerry D. Riley, USA Corporal John A Ragsdale, USA Corporal John Banagan, USA Corporal John F. Beirne, USA, Retired Corporal John L. Schweitzer, USA Corporal John Maxwell Gault, USA Corporal John P. Thomson, USA, Retired Corporal Joseph R. Attamante, USMC Corporal Lloyd D.Beery, Junior, USA Corporal Manus J Campbell, USMC Corporal Marvin Kantor, USMC Corporal Maurice Bender, Ph.D., USA Corporal Michael Czarnecki, USA Corporal Michael E. Stewart, USMC Corporal Michael H. Riordan, USMC Corporal Noel H. Bransford, USMC Corporal Norman F. Williams Jr., USMC Corporal Paul G. Zolbrod, USA Corporal Philip S. Miller, USA Corporal Ralph Wessel, USAF Corporal Randy Belden, USMC Corporal Richard Lyon Castner, USA Corporal robert e richards, USMC, Retired Corporal Robert F. Bisson, USA Corporal Robert Kinsey, USMC Corporal Robert Richard Barracca, USA Corporal Stephen George Fournier, USMC, Retired Corporal Stewart Nusbaumer, USMC, Retired Corporal Temur Perkins, USMC Corporal Theodore Radamaker, USA Corporal Thomas C. Gale, USA Corporal Thomas E. Simmons Jr., USMC Corporal Thomas L.Vassilaros, USA Corporal Vinnie Van Wyen, USMC Corporal William Paul Williamson, Jr., USMC Corporal William R. Stanton, USMC Corporal William Roland Bailey, USA Corporal Yoshiro Sanbonmatsu, USA Corporal Ziskind R. Lieb, USA E-5 Medical Specialist James Clinton Wright, USA Ensign Kenneth Martin Stevenson, USN Ensign Richard A. Laurick, USN Ensign roxy hills, USA Ensign Thomas A. Toomey, USN, Retired Ensign William A. Swain III, USN, Retired First Lieutenant Paul W Morgan, USA First Lieutenant Richard E. 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Smith, USA Private Deborah L Schneider, USA Private First Class Alfred G Hale, USA Private First Class Allan H. Laite, USA Private First Class Armand DeLaurell, USA Private First Class Bill A Whitney, USA Private First Class Brian W Jones, USA Private First Class Charles Scarlott, USA Private First Class Cheryl Marland, USA Private First Class Chester C. Kraszewski, USA Private First Class Constance Brockmeyer Heiman, USCG Private First Class Dale E. Mix, USA Private First Class David A. Lurie, USA Private First Class David Fugere, USA Private First Class David Robert Klein, USA Private First Class David W. Otto, USA Private First Class Dennis John Lynds, USA, Retired Private First Class Dennis Lee Barnum, USA, Retired Private First Class Donald David Bachman, USA Private First Class Douglas Allen Thompson, USA Private First Class Edwaqrd Beechert, USA Private First Class Edward C Oehlers, USA Private First Class Eugene M. 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Gehl, USA Private First Class Michael LaRue, USA Private First Class Montague S. Berman, USA, Retired Private First Class Monte G. McKenzie, USA Private First Class Paul F Collins, USA Private First Class Peter West Youell, USA Private First Class Philip J. Felix, USA Private First Class Philip S Philiben, USA Private First Class Ray L Huffman, USA Private First Class Raymond A. Coulombe, USA Private First Class Richard D. Nethercut, USA Private First Class Richard E.Becker, USA Private First Class Richard L. Simpson, USA Private First Class Rick Martin Duiker, USA Private First Class Robert B. Raisor, USA Private First Class Robert R. Gronko, USMC Private First Class Robert S. Tate, USA Private First Class Rodger Carroll, USA Private First Class Rodman Earl Miller, USA, Retired Private First Class Roger R. Armstrong, USA Private First Class Ronald W. Ziwisky, USA Private First Class Ruth Brown O'Neil, USA Private First Class Stephen McCourt, USA Private First Class Terence J. 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Cassell, USN, Retired Seaman Nathaniel Paul Davis, USN Seaman Richard I. Trenholm, USN Seaman Richard Sidney Salmon, USN Seaman Robert Edward Miller II, USN Seaman Todd Boyle, USN Seaman Vaughn N. Pol, USN Seaman Warren L. Lewellyn, USN Seaman William L. Crozier, USN Seaman William Roberts Voorhies, USN
and still more... notice how many of the lower ranks are still active? Senior Airman Charles W. Daniels, USAF Senior Airman Edward A. Waters, USAF Senior Airman Eugene Thomas Giovanazzi , USAF Senior Airman Gail E. Chandler, Ph.D., USAF Senior Airman James J. Ramage, USAF Senior Airman John Mark Jorgensen, USAF Senior Airman Katelyn N. Allers, USAF Senior Airman Lisa G. Grandstaff, USAF Senior Airman Mark D. Lusher, USAF Senior Airman Neal C. Melton, USAF, Retired Senior Airman Roger C. Steffens, USAF Senior Airman Vera Millar, USAF Senior Airman William Charles Mitchell, USAF Senior Master Sergeant Fred W. MacArthur, Jr., USAF, Retired Sergeant Albert E. Akers, USAF Sergeant Alexander Mackenzie, USA Sergeant Andre Maria Boersma, USMC Sergeant Arthur John Fry, USA Sergeant Arthur William Garrett, USA Sergeant Bobby Lee Alexander, USMC Sergeant Borhan Mohammed Khatib, USA Sergeant Charles E. Goode, USMC Sergeant Clifford J. Wells, USMC Sergeant Conrad Borovski, USA, Retired Sergeant Craig Etchison, USA Sergeant Danny L Shaw, USA Sergeant David Kettenhofen, USAF Sergeant Denise Lockren (Brinkman) Gathman, USMC Sergeant Dennis M. Conboy, USA Sergeant Edward P. Morrissey, USA Sergeant Edwin B. Bergeson, USA Sergeant Elton Duane Wilkerson, USAF Sergeant Eugene W. Edinger Jr., USAF Sergeant Fernando Cruz-Villalba, USA Sergeant First Class Hugh W. Somerton, USA Sergeant First Class Jason Lenox, USA, Retired Sergeant First Class Kenneth C. Robinson, USA, Retired Sergeant First Class Mark J. Bielanski, USA, Retired Sergeant First Class Robert J. Roberts, USA Sergeant First Class Timothy M. Williams, USA, Retired Sergeant Francis D. Polley, USA Sergeant Francis Peter Juranic, USAF Sergeant Frank Pizzardi, USAF Sergeant Fredy Champagne, USA Sergeant Gary L. Thomas, USA Sergeant Gerald Kennedy, USA Sergeant Gilbert Charles Gordon Jr., USA Sergeant Gregory Storm Cunningham, USA Sergeant Harold Schwartz, USA Sergeant Harry P. Brown, USA Sergeant Henry I. Bornstein, USAF Sergeant Henry Peterson, USA Sergeant James A. Wilson, USA Sergeant James Gordon Nelson, USA Sergeant James Landrith, USMC Sergeant James Otto Daubenberger III, USA Sergeant Jerry D. Gilley, USAF Sergeant Jerry Genesio, USMC Sergeant Joe A. Blocher, USA Sergeant John A. Keggler Junior, USA Sergeant John DiFusco, USAF Sergeant John Houlihan, USA Sergeant John M Hubble, USAF Sergeant John P. Haslinger, USAF Sergeant John W Covey, USAF Sergeant Joseph A. Rosado, USAF Sergeant Katherine I. Menges, USA Sergeant Lawrence Joseph Griffin, USA, Retired Sergeant Leona Maltz, USMC Sergeant Lloyd Eugene Wagner, USAF Sergeant Major Frank J. Rankins, USA, Retired Sergeant Major Jerry (Roger) Ferragallo, USAF Sergeant Marcus Jansen, USA, Retired Sergeant Mark douglas Ivey, USA Sergeant Mark Raymond Dongu , USA Sergeant Michael Antares, USA Sergeant Michael Antares, USAF Sergeant Michael Gerard McIntosh, USAF Sergeant Neil Stuart, USAF Sergeant Oliver V. Hines, USA Sergeant Orville O. Gilmore, USA Sergeant Paul Cox, USMC Sergeant Philip A. Prichard, USA Sergeant Ralph T. Conroy, USA Sergeant Raymond Bentman, USA Sergeant Raymond L Strischek, USMC Sergeant Raymond Reed Hardy, USA Sergeant Rebecca S. McAlary, USA Sergeant Richard Beck Peacock, USMC, Retired Sergeant Richard Egenriether, USA Sergeant Richard Gillock, USMC Sergeant Richard L. Tradewell, USA Sergeant Richard S. Fye, USA Sergeant Rick Venturi, USAF Sergeant Robert A. Fischer, USA Sergeant Robert O. Shaw, USMC Sergeant Rodney James Owen, USA, Retired Sergeant Russell Scott Stoermer, USA Sergeant Sean Antonio Rosas, USA Sergeant Seth Pollack, USA Sergeant Stephen Constantine Demos, USMC Sergeant Steven Schauer, USAF Sergeant Susan K Metheny, USAF Sergeant Theodore James Schapp, USA Sergeant Thomas Barnes, Jr., USA Sergeant Thomas D. Voigts, USAF Sergeant Timothy D. Lord, USAF Sergeant Timothy R. Mc Grady, USA Sergeant Victoria J D Lewis, USAF Sergeant William C. Watson, USAF Sergeant William D. Hoffman, USA Sergeant William Joseph Appel, USAF Sergeant William Max Hooks, USAF Sergeant William Robert Smiddie, USA SP-5 E-5 Garreth L. Sanders, USA Specialist 3 Ralph Conrad Hohneke, USA, Retired Specialist 4 Winson C. Hinkle, USA Specialist 4th Class George P. Russell, USA Specialist 5 Bernstein, Simon L., USA Specialist 5th Class Thomas J. Worrell, USA Specialist Al Knickerbocker, USA Specialist Albert R. Kallock Jr., USA Specialist Anthony Lawrence Aiello, Jr, USA Specialist Arthur Lisciandro, USA Specialist Barry Warren Riesch, USA Specialist Bernard L. Edelman, USA Specialist Bertus E. Nederlof, USA Specialist Betty Read Scott, USN Specialist Blaine C. Gaustad, USA Specialist Brian M. Davis, USA Specialist Bruce Day Macdonald, USA Specialist Byron A. Metcalf, USA Specialist Candy Sweet Lovett, USA, Retired Specialist Carl B. Courtnier, USA Specialist Charles Marsh, USA Specialist Charles Naef, USA Specialist Christian J. Arnold, USA Specialist Christopher Michael Turner, USA Specialist Christopher T. Lavone, USA Specialist Clark Buffington Lohr, USA Specialist Clyda M. Jackson, USA Specialist Constance Mantini, USA Specialist Dahrl H. Bartlett, USA Specialist Dan Gomez, USA Specialist Daniel Pourkesali, USA, Retired Specialist David A. Kisslring, USA Specialist David Jon Damstrom, USA Specialist David L. Curley, USA Specialist David Maxwell Young, USA Specialist David O. Depker, USA Specialist David Ray Roop, USA Specialist Dennis A. Good, USA Specialist Dennis Leslie Storm, USA Specialist Desmond P. Glynn, USA Specialist Donna Barr, USA Specialist Douglas M. Troutman, USA Specialist Douglas Ward, USA, Retired Specialist Dwayne Knox, USA Specialist Edward Mikel, USA Specialist Edwin G. Bergmann, USA Specialist Fifth Class Richard E Klosterman, USA Specialist Five Patrice Titterington, USA Specialist Floyd Striegel, USA Specialist Frank Griglonis, USA Specialist Frank Zinno, USA Specialist Fred M. Donner, Ph.D., USA Specialist Frederic Morrison, USA Specialist Gary A. Chipman, USA Specialist Gary Horne, USA Specialist Gary L. Davis, USA Specialist Gary P. Novosielski, USA Specialist Gary Schark, USA Specialist George F. Gladis, USA Specialist George John Asimos, USA Specialist George P. Seaman, USA Specialist Gerald R Perdue, USA Specialist Giovanni Vassallo, USA Specialist Ivory Leondias Shortt, USN Specialist J. Clayson Dennis, USA Specialist James Gregory Sutherland, USA Specialist James LaFate Griffin, USA Specialist James Twomey, USA Specialist James W. Amato Jr., USA Specialist James Welms, USA Specialist Jan E. Smith, USA Specialist Jeffrey Herman, USA Specialist Jeffrey Lawrence Bauman, USA Specialist Jimmy Dwain Parks, Ph.D., USA Specialist Joe Carlos Aguirre, USA Specialist John Harry Shockley, USA Specialist John J. Gee, USA Specialist John K. Jessup Jr., USA Specialist John Lawrence, USA Specialist John M West, USA Specialist John Russell Storbeck, USA Specialist John T. Hughes Jr., USA Specialist Jon H. Larimore, USA Specialist Joseph C. Galbreath, USA Specialist Joseph Cassidy, USA Specialist Joseph J. Cieplak, USA Specialist Karen Rytlewski, USA Specialist Kenneth Edward Nelson, USA Specialist Kenneth James Dawe, USA Specialist Kenneth Martin Stevenson III, USA Specialist Kenneth R. Smith, USA Specialist Kenneth R. Smith, USA Specialist Leanne Senter-Barbour, USA Specialist Leanne Senter-Barbour, USA Specialist Les Dabney, USA Specialist Malcolm Brown, USA Specialist Martin Ray Mills, USA Specialist Matthew Charles Plummer, USA Specialist Merri Elizabeth Keeton, USA Specialist Michael Alan Fox, USA Specialist Michael Baxter, USA Specialist Michael C. Lund, USA Specialist Michael Earl Baker, USA Specialist Michael Edwin Crider, USA Specialist Michael F. Zello, USA Specialist Michael Lawrence Job, USA Specialist Mike Budd, USA Specialist Neil David Harrison, USA Specialist Nikki Coyote, USA Specialist Owen Berio, USA Specialist Patricia A. Oliver, USA Specialist Patrick Joseph Gilligan, USA Specialist Paul B. Cumpian, USA, Retired Specialist Paul Campbell Imrie, USA, Retired Specialist Philip Edward Dynan, USA Specialist Ralph Chandler Daniels II, USA Specialist Ralph E. Manon, USA Specialist Richard Adams Lyon, USA Specialist Richard Graham Crerie Jr., USA Specialist Richard J. Bourgeois, USA Specialist Richard R. Wall (now Richard W. Frieden), USA Specialist Richard Stuart, USA, Retired Specialist Robert A. Gould, USA Specialist Robert E Hebrank, USA Specialist Robert Hammers Stagg, USA Specialist Robert Layton, USA, Retired Specialist Robert McNulty, USA Specialist Robert Samson Bloch, USA, Retired Specialist Robert W. Reilly, USA Specialist Rodger A. Herbst, USA Specialist Roger J. Nittler, USA Specialist Ronald Edmund Ambes, USA Specialist Russel Hickman, USA Specialist Samuel William French, USN, Retired Specialist Stephen Arnold Martin, USA Specialist Stephen Christopher Jacobs, USA Specialist Stephen D Purnell, USA Specialist Steve Tudisco, USA Specialist Steven Andrew Black, USA Specialist Terence M. Lenaghan, USA Specialist Theodore W. Ketcham, USA Specialist Thomas Cederquist, USA Specialist Toby Tahja-Syrett, USA Specialist Tom Gibson, USA Specialist Troy Thomas Heikkala, USA Specialist Wallace Woolfenden, USA Specialist William H Marchant, USA Specialist William H Miller, USA Specialist William J. McManus, USA Specialist William Monroe Campbell, USA Specialist William R Wofford, USA Specialist William Rivera, USA Specialist Zbynek Hakos, USA Staff Sergeant Arthur O. Washburn, USAF Staff Sergeant Arthur S. Johnson, III, USAF Staff Sergeant Brad Walden, USA Staff Sergeant Carroll R. Thomas, USA Staff Sergeant Daniel W. Warvi, USA Staff Sergeant David T. Gray, USAF Staff Sergeant David Zapsky, USAF Staff Sergeant Gary E Kelly, USA Staff Sergeant Gatch N. Maxey , USAF Staff Sergeant Harold A. Schiffman, USA Staff Sergeant Henry Beverly, USA Staff Sergeant Jeremy Otis, USA Staff Sergeant Jimmie L. Wright, USAF Staff Sergeant John C. Salzsieder, USA Staff Sergeant John Edward Niemi, USA Staff Sergeant John H. Redue, Jr, USAF Staff Sergeant John Lischalk, USA Staff Sergeant John Olaf Frakie, USAF Staff Sergeant John V. Chambers, USAF Staff Sergeant Joseph Clarke Van Dine, USAF Staff Sergeant Kathleen May Alley, USAF Staff Sergeant Kevin Bokay, USA, Retired Staff Sergeant Marcell Norbert Benoit, USAF Staff Sergeant Mary Ann Parker, USAF Staff Sergeant Millard Vincent Turner, USAF Staff Sergeant Philip Bradford Cobb, USAF Staff Sergeant Philip D. Yarter, USAF Staff Sergeant Randall Richard Platt, USA Staff Sergeant Raymond LeRoy Ensley, USAF Staff Sergeant Robert D. Pilkey, USAF Staff Sergeant Rollin Lind, USA Staff Sergeant Russell W. Thompson, USAF Staff Sergeant Ruth M. Saffry, USA, Retired Staff Sergeant Sharon Haller, USAF Staff Sergeant Stanley J. Bass, USAF Staff Sergeant Terry Gabrich, USA, Retired Staff Sergeant Thomas Nuzum, USAF Staff Sergeant Thomas Richard Judd, USAF Staff Sergeant William Cody Reynolds, Jr., USA Staff Sergeant William Stanwood, USAF Technical Sergeant Bill ONeil, USA Technical Sergeant Daniel D. Scarlett, USA Technical Sergeant Douglas Lloyd Perrin, USA Technical Sergeant Eliot Freidson, USA Technical Sergeant Gayle E. Woodul, USAF Technical Sergeant George J. Feigenbaum, USAF, Retired Technical Sergeant Harvey Wheeler, USA, Retired Technical Sergeant Joseph C. Behm, USA Technical Sergeant Joseph J. Needleman, USA Technical Sergeant Joseph J. Perlongo, USA Technical Sergeant Richard T. Nordland, USAF Technical Sergeant Robert L. Bloch, USAF Technical Sergeant Robert S Frederick, USA Technical Sergeant Stephen H. Eddy, USAF Technical Sergeant Steven Albert Beatty, USAF Technician Fifth Class Elihu Edelson, USA Technician Fifth Grade Paul Rogers Barstow, USA Warrant Officer III Lavelle Amos Ormsbee, USA Specialist Charles Sheehan-Miles, USA Specialist Erik Gustafson, USA Ensign Daniel Fahey, USN Sergeant Erin Cole, USA Lieutenant Barry Romo, USA Private First Class John Zutz, USA Private First Class David Cline, USA Airman First Class Woody Powell, USAF
I don't see what the problem is with life peerage. And I'm someone who believes that the UK should elect a president, as opposed to being "ruled" by a monarch (that isn't the majority view in this country). BTW, I thought your letter was interesting (even if the signatories were a little overlong to post).
With all due respect to these soldiers...what the hell does a 2nd Louie or a Spec 4 or a Captain know about national needs? Their orders are to follow orders. Not decide when and where military action is needed. That is up to the voters who entrust their power to a President.
With all due respect to you... What the hell does the average Iraqi citizen know about their own national needs? Their orders are to hold up placards denouncing the US and vote for the only guy on their ballot. This country is different. Dissenting voices are supposed to be heard, if not heeded, even between elections. The pro-Bush, pro-war crowd around here has now dismissed virtually every media source (credited or biased), the average citizen protester, military personnel of all ranks (not just the lower ones you chose to cite), ex-presidents, ex-cabinet members from Bush Sr.'s admin, various outspoken celebrities, the United Nations, current and former weapons inspectors, several of our trusted ally countries, the FBI and CIA, international opinion and even, for a while, the current Secretary of State and the current Congress. When they agree with Bush, their opinion counts. When they dissent, they are written off as irrelevant. Exactly whose take on this most important of decisions would you guys deem relevant, considering that even active, high ranking military and all the other entities above average a roll-eyes reaction here for speaking out on this life and death issue?
I towld u alredy that thay is dum as dert. Scru them peeples. Warning: please, oh please, do not read this aloud.
Soldiers are citizens and voters too. If these men questioned orders during battle or preparation for battle, then they would be negligent in their duties. Before that, however, they are just as entitled to express their disagreement with the policy of the President. And I would venture to say that many of these men are far more intelligent and wiser regarding national needs than a man who partied, boozed and never held a real job in his life until some of his dad's friends decided he had enough star wattage to run for governor for Texas (the epitome of a figurehead position).
I actually laughed out loud for a while, then read it to one of my roommates...She thought it was sort of funny, but I can state with certainty that it reads better than it sounds...Very funny.
Nobody. I don't need anybody to sift through the FACTS and decide what to do. I can tell you that if Hussein forks over 1.5 tons of anthrax, then he has 3.5 more to take its place. He isn't all of a sudden going to come clean. If you are OK with that, then I suggest 2 things: (1) You're nuts, (2) Your precious little UN and their big bad resolutions have been rendered meaningless due to your inaction in re Iraq's WMD.
