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No Rudy, No Steve.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Earl Cureton, Apr 11, 2003.

  1. Rockets2K

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    Question: I didnt get to hear all of what he was sayiin on 610...I faintly heard something mentioned about Avery Johnson being friends with Keith Jones and has expressed interest in coaching one day...

    Is AJ lookin to retire and become a an assistant soon? If so, he could show our guards a thing or two about how to play within a team framework. I would be a little concerned whether or not AJ woul dbe one of those "player's coachs" because of his public persona of being all nice and polite.
     
  2. leebigez

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    Its a whole lot easier finding little players than big players. You can only take back half his salary which would be about 10mill. Call the clipps and offer him and his homeboy for Brand and Miller. Give me Miller,Brand,Ming,Posey and whoever at the 3 and i think the playoffs are closer. Francis likes Rudy because he gets to continue to make the same stupid rookie mistakes that he's always made.
     
  3. leebigez

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    How about a guy like Jim Cleamons. I'm one of those guys who aretired of the retreads. Recently, guy like Carlisle in Det,Scott in Jersey,Musselman in GSW and the guy in Denver have done well. Lets give a guy like Clemons,Eddie Jordan, or the Utah asst a chance.
     
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    Francis' obligation is to the contract that he sign with the Rockets. The team suppose to be above everything. If management feel that bring in another coach or another player that will result in winning games then Francis have no right to stop it from happening. This is about a team trying to win championship and not a team that consist of your buddies. Steve need to realize this and he should support whatever management do in order to improve this team (whether bringing in a new coach or trading one of Steve's buddy). His obligation is to the Houston Rocket's organization and not to a particular coach or players. Afterall, the fans and the Rockets are the one that paying his salaries so his loyalty should be to the organization and to the Rocket's fans. By saying that, I am not saying that we should fire anyone but whatever the move that the organization make (to better the team), they should have the full support from Steve and other players.
     
  5. almostReady

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    Bye Rudy! (get well please, though.)

    Bye Steve. Go to another team so you can feature more ESPN hightlights.
     
  6. GATER

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    Start a thread on the topic. My hunch is you'll get plenty of responses.

    But you will need to phrase it without any associated player(s). Don't phrase it "if we traded Steve for Kidd would you be a Rockets fan or a Nets fan?" The thread will meander far from your intended inquiry.

    Something "If the Rockets traded Steve, would you still be a Rockets fan?"
     
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    steve is a whiny loser whined his way out of playing in vancouver. this guy is a chump. trade him for andre miller a true point guard
     
  8. Rocket River

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    that



    that is a stupid thing to say
    if he is trade . . is he not starting over with a new coach???
    and a new team?? and new players?? in a new city??

    Rocket River
     
  9. kidrock8

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    Tell me how many "winners" do that? Fact is that he's supposed to be our leader. At a time when cooler heads must prevail, if we are to win the next 3, the last thing we need is for the "leader" to throw a tantrum.

    To me, it's his sign of giving up.

    Now if he kicks ass the next 3 games, I will happily eat crow.
     
  10. Smokey

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    If true, goodbye Francis. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. The Rockets management needs to evaluate every position including coaching during the offseason. I'd can Rudy for Dunleavy only. No player should be able to call the shots. Management does its job. The player does his job. Francis will have to be dealing with a new coach anyways if he's traded...hopefully that coach will be Bill Cartwright.
     
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    The only coach I'd dump Rudy for is Van Gundy. His players play their asses off for him, and listen to him.

    Rudy has a lot of uncoachable players though, so it's not totally his fault. I really don't know many coaches who could succeed with the type of players we have.

    This team is chock full of guys who either don't care, or they think too highly of themselves. Those are the 2 worst kinds of players you can have.
     
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    What's next: no Cuttino, no Steve? Or how about: no Moochie no Steve? Screw Francis. Changes have to be made. Lets say we keep the coaching staff intact. You know he's going to be pissing and moaning if we unload some of his buddies.
     
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    Pot. kettle. Black.
     
  14. JoeBarelyCares

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    Go ahead and bash Steve for sticking up for his coach. Would you be praising him if he pulled a Penny or a Magic and got his coach fired?

    Steve's stand for Rudy once again demonstrates: Players want to play for Rudy. So don't forget the value of Rudy as a recruiter. We need Rudy around this summer when restricted free agent Elton Brand is touring the league. Offer Brand the same contract we gave co-rookie of the year Steve (the max) if Brand will demand a sign and trade by the Clipps. The deal Sterling is too cheap to offer. Then Brand takes Yao's offer of Griffin and Mobley back to Sterling, along with his trade demand, and we get the deal done.
     
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    While Steve's cause is good, he's going about it the wrong way. Trying to bully management to do things your way or you're walking is just not right. Especially since Steve's done nothing for the organization yet to make any demands.
     
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    Man...even the coach of Syracuse would be good. :D
     
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    Godd**n, guys. The guy's just being loyal. Any one of us might feel the same way, in the same situation.

    Steve has a contract and has to play for the Rockets. If Rudy doesn't go, we better make some adjustments at the other spots, because only Steve and Yao are untouchable.

    "Good-bye Francis, see ya Steve." Damn, talk about one-ways. Brutal.

    What, did anyone expect Steve to come out and say, "They better fire Rudy"?

    Steve knows the team f'd up this year and has been trying to shoulder some of the blame, taking it away from his coach; and you BLAST HIM FOR THIS?!?!
     
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    Steve said that Shaq can choose whichever coach he likes, so he can, too. That is absurd. Shaq and Steve do not have the same leverage. Shaq has won 6 championship rings and knows what it takes to win it all. Steve does not know how to win anything.
     
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    duh, that should say 3 rings, not 6.
     
  20. yaonotyo

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    since when shaq won 6 rings:confused:
     

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