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No F***ing way (Lakers come back and beat Mavs)

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by francis 4 prez, Dec 7, 2002.

  1. kidrock8

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    Yup, the refs choked away the 30 pt lead.

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  2. francis 4 prez

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    exactly, that was a foul no doubt but the fact the mavs let them back in is ridiculous. even when the lead was like 22, i was just waiting for the lakers run, hoping against hope the mavs were too good to let it happen. then they decide to play absolutely no D for the first half of the 4th (like they could just cruise to the finish) and they absolutely stop running. keep playing your game you dumbasses. i can't believe they let that happen. now i have to hear about how that turned the lakers season around, how the mavs can't beat them, how they'll have a mental edge if they meet in the playoffs. i hate lakers fans for getting to be happy about this, **** y'all. **** the mavs, i hate y'all for this.
     
  3. RocksMillenium

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    The Mavs lead by 28 at half. At one point they had a 30 point lead. There is NO way an official can give a team a +32 advantage. Did you see the ridiculously tough shots the Mavs were trying to take? It had nothing to do with the officiating and everything to do with the Mavs getting rattled and completely abandoning their game plan. As for being one-sided, in the later part of that game the Mavs were going to the line pretty good when they actually decided to drive to the basket. But instead of going to the basket and drawing fouls they decided to sit outside and pull up for jumpers. Then they started to turn the ball over, especially with Nash and his stupid dribbling and turning the ball over in crucial situations. The officials didn't cost the Mavs that game, the Lakers didn't necessarily beat the Mavs, they won but the Mavs beat themselves, bottomline. You have to put teams away and execute your offense.
     
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  4. Invisible Fan

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    Those stupid ESPN sportscasters couldn't even get that line right. Good thing I can watch local...
     
  5. The Cat

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    Part of the benefit of having a 30 point lead is that the other team should have to earn that many points to beat you. The Lakers got a free two. Like I said, the Lakers deserve all the credit in the world, and deserved to win the game the way they played in the fourth. However, as a fan, I'd like to see them win it on a play, and not on a mugging.
     
  6. macalu

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    lol, they showed Cuban jumping up and down and pumping his fist at the end of the half when nowitski got the And 1 and then to see him sulking after they lose. i love it.
     
  7. francis 4 prez

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    cat, come on. i hate the lakers as much as you and the refs almost as much (no one can top you there) but this is all on the mavs. they completely abandoned their games and let the lakers get on a roll. there was nothing blatantly horrible from the refs except for the jumpball. hell o'neal got jumped on by raef earlier with no call. this is all on the mavs and their chokingness.

    now as for the rox, that was a lot on the refs. we were getting absolutely hammered w/o calls. i now see vividly why they are 11-0 at home. they get every call, even the ridiculously obvious ones.
     
  8. The Cat

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    And yet again, people here put words into my mouth for the argument.

    The Lakers deserve all the credit in the world for one of the best comebacks ever. However, the difference in a tie game and overtime is that they got away with a mugging. That's not part of the game. Would they have won in OT? Probably, but I would've just preferred to see the Lakers win it on the floor instead of having it handed to them. That's all I meant.
     
  9. MiniMing

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    shouldnt this go to the uhhhh NBA Dish?:confused: and uhh lakers suck and Mavs are cool
     
  10. lalala902102001

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    That just tells you that Mavs suck, no matter what their record says. This is a team that will never win a championship because they collapse in clutch time.
     
  11. RocksMillenium

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    I didn't put words in your mouth, you're claiming that one-sided officiating cost the Mavs that game and that isn't the case. I watched that game from start to finish, the officiating was horrendous, but it wasn't one-sided. That was equal opportunity sucking. It goes back to this, if you're up 30 points later in that game after enjoying a 28 point halftime lead and then you're reduced to complaining about an over the back call late in the game you don't deserve to win anyway. The Mavs had no business losing that game, the officials actually let the teams play in the 4th, which is the only good thing I can say about them, and the Lakers got hot. I mean the Lakers shot 88% from the field late in the 4th. At one point they were 14-16 from the field. That's not bad officiating, that's just crappy defense. In fact it was crappy perimeter defense because the Lakers were getting open looks all quarter long. Meanwhile the Mavs were just taking bad jump shot after bad jump shots. As bad as the officiating was it didn't even come close to costing the mavs that game. When you're up over 20 points going into the 4th and you lose the only way the officiating can cost you a game is if your entire starting line up fouls out.
     
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  12. kidrock8

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    What argument? There is none.

    The Mavs blew a 30 pt lead, in the span of 24 minutes. If the Mavs, themselves, feel like the refs lost the game, then they are in for another 2nd round and out.
     
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    Cuban is a loser. Mavs Choked. The game was unbelievable.
     
  14. The Cat

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    In any two point game, one call can be the difference. I don't care if they blew a 50 point fourth quarter lead and LA shot 25-25 from the floor... it still doesn't change the fact that a two point ballgame can be determined by one bad call.

    The Lakers deserved to win the game, by virtue of that tremendous comeback. But deserved, and earned, are two terms independent of each other. LA had a tremendous comeback, but the finishing blow was dealt by the men in the striped shirts, not the players on the floor. That's the only thing that bugs me.
     
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  16. kidrock8

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    He's no Paul Pierce or T-Mac though...

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  17. The Cat

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    They are anyways.

    The Mavs totally abandoned their game (pushing the ball) when the game was tight late in the fourth quarter. They did it in the playoffs last year, and they did it in their first big test this year. I don't see the Mavs getting past round 2.
     
  18. Dr of Dunk

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    OH

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    And I missed this?!?!! They were getting destroyed so bad I didn't bother watching the game. Arrrgggg... I would've loved to have watched this cave-in. :mad:
     
  19. pooh222

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    This game against the lakers just showed why the Mavs have a long way to go before they can be taken seriously as championship contenders. That was a totally pathetic collapse tonight. The Mavs should be embarrassed to the core.
     
  20. The Cat

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    Oh please.

    One big win and an 8-13 team is the best in the world? There's a reason they were down 30 in the first place. This is not the same team from the last three years, and if I could have a bet on the Lakers or the field to win the championship, I'd put thousands and thousands on the field.

    Titles are won in June, not December. This will give the Lakers a temporary momentum boost, but they won't still be riding this wave come June. Do I think it'll hurt the Mavs? Yeah, but they aren't the main competition.
     

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