what does this mean? is it like race car driving is a matter of repetiition... putting is a matter of repetition. sex is a matter of repetition. look...shooting and all the above are a matter repetition...the whole freaking point is everyone is doing it...there are 600 NBA players...they are all shooting the ball in repetiition...Hayes just isnt as good as them. But you make it soundlike he isn't even trying. what?
To quote the other Chuck "Are you serious?" Hayes has proved his worth many times over, he has shut down so many players and got so many important rebounds that it's ridiculous to say that he's not important to this team. Scola can't defend like Hayes. Neither can Landry. They can score, but in crunch time Hayes has kept the Rox in the lead on many occasions. The other PFs on the team can't. If Scola or Landry could defend 90% as well as Hayes then yes, Hayes should be shopped around, but only Landry has the potential to do that, and he hasn't fulfilled that yet. As it is, Hayes is still crucial to the Rox run at the trophy this year. Now let's all try and voodoo him a jumper... or enough vert for a dunk... freethrows maybe? ... yeah he needs some offensive help
i don't think DD considered your question. It's like saying Hakeem is not as good as an offensive rebounder as Thorpe was? huh? Basically, we all know Hayes is our absolute best PF defender...with no question. He does everything better than Scola and Landry. e v e r y t h i n g except offense.
This thread is worst than my threads. Trade the Chuck Wagon. Are you kidding me? So all you are telling me is that he is too short for playing the 4/5 position. Also that he can't score. That's it? Sure i agree with you that he is undersize. Sure i agree with you that he sometimes cannot score (smoke lay-ups) But i totally disagree with you about trading him because of the lack of offense. Do you seriously believe Chuck Hayes should be our offensive guy? For forwards, we have Scola, Landry who can put up points. Scola- post up game, outside shot Landry- outside shot, inside firepower Heck even Artest can help. Think about it, when do we really need Chuck to score? Most of the time, Chuck is in with the starting group, or straight with the 2nd unit. For the 2nd unit, we have AB that can score, Landry that can score, and sometimes even Barry/Artest scores. If Chuck catches a good pass- he can lay it up too. Letting him go really is like letting Dirk/Duncan/all the other forwards in for a free easy lay-up. Chuck brings really good defense. Especially he draws almost-perfect charges from opponents.
Tell me who could guard Howard today when Yao was not on the court? You? - Not to say that Hayes can totally stop Howard, but he is our best post defender before we sign Deke again.
I'd rather to let Scolandry go. Hayes is a little bit rough though, he still is a necessary piece of our team. Scolandry are pretty good at offense end but neither of them can do what Hayes does on defense. Hayes and Deke were our only two low post defenders but now we just have one in hayes. It's unthinkable how terrible it would be if hayes is off our team, unless we can get another good defender in exchange for hayes. If you wanna trade hayes for camby, that should be an upgrade for our paint defense but we have to add some other players to match camby's 9m salary. Is there another instinct defender who just earns 2m per year? Diop is enjoyin his MLE contract but I don't think he's a little bit better than hayes, for all the matters except for his height and weight. But hayes can match his short comings in size up with his quickness and defensive awareness.
To be honest...none of the Rockets PFs are perfect fit. By that i mean, each of them have their own strength and weakness. For example, Scola is good at hustling but not as good as Landry in terms of athleticism and shooting from outside. His defense is not as great as Hayes. Hayes' offense is not as great as Landry or Scola but his rebound is better than both. I mean for a perfect PF, the Rockets need someone that play great defense like Hayes but shoot like Landry and has the athleticism like Landry and IQ and hustling of Scola. Then and only then do you have a All-Star caliber PF. It's hard to get that perfect combination in this league.
I agree he's probably the best low post defender on this team and plays excellent defense and even coach Adelman has nothing but words of admiring for him. Problem would be if he was our starting power forward so he would be useless in offense but luckily there are plenty of players especially in last two years who filled up the spot of power forward: Scola, Landry and now Dorsey.
Hayes isnt the problem, if he was can he stay in Rockets until now? He is a good defender,especially when Yao have foul trouble, Hayes can help defence our center.
When Hayes is on the court, the opponent completely disregards him on offense. It's almost insulting. It's like a Catch-22.
I wouldn't say that, Hayes makes his layups and grabs a lot of offensive boards and tip ins. Maybe it is because of this that we earn so many extra points. But I guess on the other end it's insulting for Chandler or Nowitzki to be shut down by a 1.2 million dollar player.
At first i thought the same, but hayes has really shown how valueable he is defensively. But with still need mutombo when we face the lakers who's front court is just too big for hayes to handle.
Here's some other things that happen while Hayes is on the court: +/- (margin over opponent) per 100 on-court possessions this season: +11.1 07/08: +8.3 06/07: +11.5 05/06: +9.1 It's kind of remarkable that a team playing 4 on 5 on offense would consistently be outscoring the opponent season-by-season, don't you think? Hey, maybe defense actually matters!
I see what you're trying to do here. You're trying to minimize what Chuck does well by just talking about "post defense". In reality, Chuck is one of the most versatile defenders at his position in the league. He's excellent on pick and roll, and he's terrific in helping against penetration. He's well above average for his position against face up players as well. Adelman singled out Chuck's help defense in the Hornets game -- anyone who watched it knows what he was talking about. If all Chuck was on defense was a really good post defender, he wouldn't have near the impact he actually has on that end.
