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No Disrespect but He gotta go...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jpapi0022, Nov 22, 2008.

  1. plutoblue11

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    List of players Chuck Hayes has slow down (or help stifle) this season:

    Kevin Garnett
    Amare Stoudemire
     
  2. djimi

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    oh please!! for the amount of money we pay him....i think he's value for money. only thing is he just needs to finish when given the chance, thats when he will be very valuable.
     
  3. Carr Bombed

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    :rolleyes: I LMAO at everytime I see one of these threads about Chuck Hayes or the people that actually agree that he needs to be off the team.......it just screams "I don't understand defensive specialists/bottom of the roster glue guys".

    Chuck only makes 1.7 million a year and his value to this team goes well beyond that.

    Like I said last night.....even though I got laughed at by "another Chuck Hater"..........right now with Battier out, Chuck has been our best defender so far.

    Yes......even with Artest out there. How many times have you seen Artest beat to the basket for a easy layup already? The guy can make big defensive plays then he gives up a easy basket right after that. He also hung Brooks out to dry on a play where Brooks was picked and Artest didn't make the switch like he should have........so far (I know Artest can be a great defensive player but) Artest has been overrated this season.

    Battier's defense doesn't show up in stats (like steals), but from what I saw last season......Battier is a much better defender than Artest, Battier doesn't get out of position...he's always in perfect position and Battier is a MUCH better help defender also.
     
  4. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    you is failure. I don't even have to speak grammatically corrects, or spellz right to sounds smarter then use. Seriouzly?

    Chuck Hayes is another intangibles player. He and Shane bring this team stability, they are glue. Chuck is doing a damn good job at playing backup for Yao, and might I mention that isn't his spot. Chuck's also got heart. But you're right, let's say just because he isn't a scorer we should cut him. Ha! With your mentality we also shouldn't re-sign Deke because he couldn't make a shot to save his life.

    And whomever used the word "irregardless", come on. That's not a word. I don't care what dictionary.com or anything else says, the English language doesn't have double negatives.
     
  5. Tonaaayyyy

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    I think you need to go yourself... :rolleyes:
    Chuck Hayes is one of the best Premier big men in the league son! Get off his jock would ya
     
  6. RV6

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    the Rockets DO need to get rid of rafer, they're only lost without him because they don't have another true PG, but getting rid of Rafer would mean bringing in ANOTHER true pg, not just letting rafer go for nothing.

    As for chuck, NO WAY should we get rid of him, i wouldn't say he's untouchable either, but to trade him you better be bringing in a sure thing. Reasons why chuck is valuable to houston:

    - He's a great defender and opponents AND refs are taking notice. He's actually getting superstar "calls" and "noncalls" on defense. He's got quick hands, quick feet, good anticipation, etc..

    -He's challenge offensively, but only when a jumpshot is required. He actually has a decent hook and he's money when it comes to layups, which is kind of weird to say, but he does a real good job of laying the ball up on the opposite side of the basket to avoid being blocked, so he's as effective down there as a much taller PF.

    -He brings efficiency, for most things being one dimensional is a bad thing, for this team its good sometimes because it gives them a direction. With chuck you're not going to get mindless dribbling or hesitation on jumpers, he knows what he's got to do and does it and moves on. I'm not sure about this year, but i know in the past Houston has the highest positive point differential when he's in the lineup and was the one guy who affected it the most, even more than Yao and tracy.

    -He's a great bargain, he doesn't make a lot of money.
     
  7. C1utchC!ty

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    hmm.. Weird... No sign of hayesfan on this thread.
     
  8. flamingdts

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    People thought we didn't need Battier because we got Ron Artest. But Battier actually holds our defense together as we can see from his absense.

    Now you wanna get rid of Hayes as well? Our defense will break down entirely.
     
  9. bj3175

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    Man if we didnt have chuck Hayes we would be in trouble. Besides he is great defensively. That is not just on the ball defense but rebounding on the defensive glass.
     
  10. Laoyi

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    He is one of the most valuable players backing Yao. Unless you find other players, don't talk about letting him go.
     
  11. djperm

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    His offense is certainly far from pretty and we rarely see him create his own effective shots, however he is actually very efficient offensively considering his impressive .544 career fg% :)

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chuck_hayes/career_stats.html

    His limited # of attempts is one of the main reasons his high fg% efficiency is ever acknowledged, which could be viewed as a good or bad thing, but worth noting...

    This year while only playing 16 min per game, he is still tied with Scola as the third leading rocket in offensive rebounds and shooting more efficiently than Artest, Rafer, Head, Wafer, and Barry (basically half the team) at .385%.

    http://www.nba.com/rockets/stats/
     
  12. conquistador#11

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    with scola and hayes, i think we are on top of the nba with charges taken. Can't wait til' battier gets back! With those 3, we can make any team turn the ball over on any given play. Hayes is the special specialist. =)
     
  13. jondoe

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    Id get rid of rafer and his brother von wafer in a heartbeat before I get rid of hayes.
     
  14. jondoe

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    I could make a huge list of benchwarmers that make more money than hayes but would never contribute as much. Now rafer on the other hand, we could get a pretty good player for the 5 million hes getting paid. Rafer and CHuck should trade salaries.
     
  15. ibm

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    even if chuck does not score a single point, even if he ft form is 10x uglier, he's the least of our problems. on the contrary, a quite valuable player. big bang for the buck.
     
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    Why are you even a member? :rolleyes: Chuck Hayes makes less than 2 million a year, that's typical collect-splinters-on-the-bench player type money. And for that amount we've had a guy who had been able to shut down Dirk and West this season. If he's such a huge liability, then why isn't Adelman sitting him? Obviously there are times when his defense outweigh his offensive limitations, and trading him for the sake of getting rid of him makes no sense at all. And I don't even know why you typed the bolded part, its like you're contradicting yourself :rolleyes:
     
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    Chuck is a fantastic post defender but just a decent perimeter defender, he struggles with quicker 4s that shoot the 3 ball and move without the ball.

    But he is nails against post players.

    DD
     
  20. Roxxx4life

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    I think Chuck Hayes plays bigger than his size... He is an underrated passer, a really good defensive player, and a great hustle player... He may not be a good offensive player, but think about his hustle plays that turn into points... If there is a player that needs to go, it's Luther Head... LH can play if given an opportunity to play and consistent playing time, but with the depth that the Rockets have, he doesn't have a lot of opportunities to play... It doesn't surprise me if he struggles... IF he can be traded for a true pg or a center and if Luther has given a chance to play, I think it's going to be a win-win situation for both club... IMO
     

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