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No African-American NFL head coaches hired in 2013

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Air Langhi, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Air Langhi

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...fricanamerican-nfl-head-coaches-hired-in-2013

    The NFL head-coaching carousel stopped spinning Thursday night with Bruce Arians' hiring by the Arizona Cardinals. The selection is great news for an NFL lifer like Arians, but it might bring home a troubling statistic for African-American coaches around the league.

    None of the eight new NFL head coaches is African-American. The number of African-American head coaches in the NFL will drop from five to three in 2012 after Lovie Smith and Romeo Crennel lost their jobs.

    The trend is similar in NFL front offices. Five general manager positions have been filled, all by white men. The New York Jets' GM job, which still is open, is expected to go to John Idzik. It's unclear who will become the Cleveland Browns' next GM.

    USA Today's Mike Garafolo said he "took the pulse" of minority head coaches and executives Thursday night. "Furious" was a good way to describe their reaction, he wrote on Twitter.

    Discussions of race always are heated in this country, but there's no denying football is a predominantly African-American sport that has taken a step back in hiring minorities as head coaches and in the front office. Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports recently wrote two excellent pieces on the issue, pointing out that Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator Jim Caldwell is the only African-American offensive play-caller in the league. (And Caldwell just got that position in December.)
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    "This is a legitimate topic of discussion among the rank-and-file and, especially, among African-American coaches and front-office executives who are frustrated with the current state of affairs," Silver wrote.
     
  2. BigBird

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    So is that guy who's mad about no black coaches getting hired trying to say that Romeo Crennel deserves to be a head coach? As for Lovie, he'll be back next year. I hate the race card when it comes to this kind of thing. Stupid.
     
  3. Fyreball

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    Ummm, I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with the fact that there are simply no African-American candidates out there that teams felt were up to the task. Why is this even a story?? Instead of worrying about WHY NFL teams aren't hiring black coaches, maybe they can focus on forming a program that cultivates African-American (and other minority) coaches to get to the highest level.
     
  4. Kam

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    Grrrr.

    No Asian American coaches. Grrrr. Mad face. Mad face.
     
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  5. TheRealist137

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    Also no black coaches in the NBA, another predominant black sport.
     
  6. jayhow92

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    Trying to make something out of nothing
     
  7. J.R.

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    Not sure if serious?

    Byron Scott
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  8. CometsWin

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    It's funny how in a sport dominated by good old boy culture in ownership and black athletes on the field there are rarely any black candidates up to the task.
     
  9. Rocket River

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    This is based on the ASSUMPTION that there were not QUALIFIED black candidates. I do not beleive this to be the case . . .
    If they qualified and still not hired .. . no program is going to change the practices in place.
    People hire who they are 'comfortable with' . . . maybe since all the owners are old white men . .they hire and are comfortable with similarly attributed individuals.

    Since the NFL is basically a closed circuit . . .they have the power to enforces this bias. . . . intentionally or not . . . when it comes to ownership as well.

    Can any one say that those hired were better than Lovie?
    I mean he did goto the Super Bowl . . . he only lost to another black head coach
    The Great Tony Dungy

    Rocket River
     
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  10. Kim

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    Lovie should get a job. Crennel should not. Can't really say the comfort thing trumps the trying-to-win-a-championship thing. Chicago went totally out of the box with their hiring. If Chip Kelly were black, he'd still be hired in Philly. If Sumlin continues his trend of success, the NFL will be calling in 2 years.

    The NFL is much less affected by the good ole boy network than in college. In the NFL, you have the Rooney rule not intended to directly get jobs, but to put minority names out there. Staffs are populated at a much higher minority % than in college. In college, you have boosters with major influence. Comfort level is much more prevalent in college. In the NFL, it's about winning, and extremely short careers (except for Kubiak who has a lifetime membership as Texans coach).
     
  11. droopy421

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    Lovie will definitely get another HC job, probably next year. Crennel will not.
     
  12. AstroRocket

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    This is what gets me about this whole thing. With the thousands of black players and lower level assistants that have been through the NFL/Football ranks, it's unbelievable how many people just accept this assumption. But where the society we live in is today, just questioning this is belittled by that accusation that you're playing the "race card" (especially if you're black), so just f--k it I guess. "It is what it is" seems to be the motto of the day on these issues now.
     
  13. justtxyank

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    Mike Holmgren won a superbowl and lost another and can't get an interview. Ken Whisenhunt lost a superbowl and can't get an interview. Bill Callahan lost a superbowl and couldn't get another sniff in the NFL. Jim Fassel lost a superbowl and couldn't get another shot in the NFL. Brian Billick won a superbowl and hasn't been able to get another sniff in the NFL.

    Lovie will get another job. But not yet.

    1) NFL moving toward offense right now. Most coaches who got hired this offseason were offensive coaches.
    2) Lovie didn't do anything amazing in Chicago.
    3) The Tampa 2 isn't the most popular defense out there right now

    On the coaches that got hired, again, mostly offensive guys. How many black offensive guys are out there who should have been considered over them? Wrong or right, most black head coaches have a defensive background. Leslie Frasier, Crennel, Dungy, Smith, Mike Tomlin, Herm Edwards, Marvin Lewis, Ray Rhodes, Mike Singletary...

    Dennis Green was an offensive guy and got another shot before flaming out. Jim Caldwell is an offensive guy and got a shot and was pretty much considered a non-factor.
     
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    You're making the same ASSUMPTION that what I said is NOT the case. At the end of the day, people are always going to feel like they are under-represented and victimized. I'm not discounting that what you're saying is true (and given the character of some of these owners, I would say it's very possible), however you can't just throw the race card out there without any sort of inside knowledge on the dynamic between coaches and owners. For the most part, the African-American coaches that have held coaching jobs in the NFL HAVE been underwhelming.....there is no denying that. Lovie Smith will absolutely get another job, while Romeo Crennel shouldn't.
     
  15. GRENDEL

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    Lovie will get a job next year, he's a defensive guy and if you look at the hires this off season they all had a strong offensive slant.

    If Garrett makes it to next season and produces more middle of the road results, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lovie coaching the cows.
     
  16. Mattj

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    This was a discussion item on show today. The Rooney rule serves its purpose, but you can't force an organization to hire someone. The reason there were no minority head coaches hired in this cycle is easy to explain. Seven of the eight openings went to offensive play callers. Go take a look at the number of minorities that are currently calling plays in the NFL. Before Cam Cameron got fired in Baltimore and Jim Caldwell took over, that number was ZERO. 32 teams, ZERO minority play callers. The NFL also only has 2 minority QB coaches (Karl Dorrel in Houston is 1 of them).

    Perhaps the league could extend the Rooney rule to coordinator positions as well, but I don't see a systemic, institutional bias against minority head coaches.
     
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  17. KingCheetah

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    Black guys suck at playing QB or coaching.
     
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    Happy MLK day!
     
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  19. Rocket River

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    Three have been pretty good to great
    Dungy, Lovie, Tomlin
    [Hell Caldwell had a good 1st season and 2nd seasons - amazing how quick the hook was on him . . .considering he lost a HOF QB]

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    As of January 5, 2013, there were three African-American coaches in charge of National Football League teams:

    1.Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals (entering 11th season).
    2.Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers (entering seventh season).
    3.Leslie Frazier, Minnesota Vikings (entering third season).

    Lewis maybe underwhelming. . but its fricking Cincinati.
    I would not say Frazier is underwhelming
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    “While many people would say it doesn’t matter and those six coaches were selected and got a chance, you still have to be concerned about the process for minority coaches,” Dungy said. “I know Ron Rivera was hired by the Panthers, but you would have to think that somewhere in the last six hiring cycles a team would reach out to an African-American coach outside their building. Unfortunately, it appears right now that the best way for an African-American coach to get an opportunity is to be on a staff where the head coach gets fired or retires. I still don’t think owners and GMs are doing a great job in the process of identifying minority candidates.”
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    Art Shell 1989 - mediocre at best
    Dennis Green 1992 - Good
    Ray Rhodes 1995 - good to decent
    Tony Dungy 1996 - great
    Herman Edwards 2001 - dumpster fire
    Marvin Lewis 2003 - decent to good
    Lovie Smith 2004 - good
    Terry Robiskie 2004* - dunno him
    Romeo Crennel 2005 - dumpster fire
    Mike Tomlin 2007 - great
    Emmitt Thomas 2007* - dunno im
    Mike Singletary 2008 - dumpster fire
    Jim Caldwell 2009 - decent - lost his qb went to horrible - fired
    Raheem Morris 2009 - decent - 3 seasons
    Perry Fewell 2009* - dunno him
    Leslie Frazier 2010 - decent to good
    Eric Studesville 2010* - dunno him

    I don't think the percentage of 'underwhelming' versus white coaches is that high.

    Rocket River
     
  20. Anticope

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    Only 3 out of 32 coaches does seem low compared to recent seasons, but what's the solution to this? Force the last team that hires a coach each offseason to hire an African American head coach if none of the other teams have? (Sorry Arizona!)
     

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