Many of you must have had a lot more money than I did in college. Beer money, sure. Pooling money to buy a bottle of Cuervo, maybe. The weekly splurge was a half-dozen Manhattans at dollar martini night. Stripper money, I don't have a clue where that would have come from.
I should have quoted "innocence". I do not believe that the Dukies raped the stripper. Last time I checked, underaged drinking is against the law. I also would not be surprised if hiring a stripper violated some NC law. I posit that a serious of bad decisions lead the Dukies into a position where something bad could happen and it did. Thus, I do not see their innocence.
shrug, let him speak for himself I just can't personally identify with people who have sich biased sentiments against kids like those 3, so I'd like to hear a serious explanation on where feelings like that originate from. no sarcasm, no BS...just give me a logical explanation and we can discuss from there and for the record, I'm not even white, I'm 100% chinese. however...I did grow up in a school district/neighborhood in the Dallas area that was literally 99% white. I was 1 out of 2 minorities in my high school graduating class of around ~240
ok, if that's the angle you're coming from, then sure...underaged drinking is technically against the law, no argument there I think what everyone is saying though is that NO ONE gives a **** about underaged drinking, can we agree on that
I'm making up the numbers... Team members: 15 Chipping in (each): $20 = $300 That's at least 2 hours of entertainment from a low class stripper.
You gotta be careful. If you hire a cheap stripper like that, she might be a crazy b**** and accuse you of raping her.
Parents care if their underage children drink. Check. High schools care if their students drink. Check. Colleges care (huge legal liability of they don't). Check. Bars care. Check. Liquor stores care. Check. Police care. Check.
I was just thinking that the penalty for underaged drinking should be thirty years in prison. I would contend that very few people are innocent of every possible thing (the accuser is guilty of filing a false police report, but she's going to skate on that). The key to the matter is, though, are they innocent of what they were charged with? And the answer to that is an unqualified yes. I don't see how the wrong of the party and the stripper (something the players apologized for. The DPD, the Group of 88, Duke University, etc. have never apologized for anything they've done) negates all the Constitutional and legal violations the Durham police and the DA's office engaged in. Even if she had been raped (and there's no evidence to contend that she was), rigging line-ups, intimidating witnesses and withholding exculpatory evidence is, in my opinion, far worse than hiring a stripper or drinking before one reaches the age of 21.
I believe that there are something like 45 guys on that team. I don't know how many were there that night... Ya gotta divide by two; weren't there two strippers. The second one denounced the story pretty much from the get-go.
There were 47 players on the team, though there were a handful who were not there (it was Spring Break, after all). There were also a few people who were there who were not members of the team. This is interesting to me as the series of bad decisions seems to be limited to having a party where alcohol was served and hiring a stripper. The something bad that happened was one of the strippers decided, for whatever reason, to completely make up a story (actually, a bunch of stories) about being sexually assaulted. I would venture to guess that it doesn't take alcohol or strippers to accuse someone of something they didn't do. The alcohol appears to not have contributed to the false accusations at all, as far as I can tell. Now I remember why I don't come here often. I always get dragged into some stupid argument.
Drunk and rowdy Dukies spewing racist remarks might have pushed psycho b**** over the edge. Ya think?
Seriously, no one cares if minors drink. Its a rite of passage to most kids. If the police and law thought drinking was that big a problem, they would have stricter laws regarding DUI, public intoxication and minor in possesion etc..
actually I was talking about people on this thread, and just the general common population but either way, let's seriously go through your list anyway: 1. Parents - er, you can't possibly be implying that every parent is going to care if a 20 year old kid of theirs has had some alcoholic drinks before in their lifetime, are you? (we're defining underaged drinking as any kid under 21, right?) it would be generous if the percentage of parents that would care in that scenario is even 50% 2. High Schools - uh, what? what do high schools have anything to do with underage drinking...unless it actually happens on school grounds during the school day, which is never the case. high school age kids drink in other locations, not at school lol. in those situations, the high school has absolutely no connection or relevance 3. Colleges - ok this is a simple one, which I'll address at the end 4. Bars/Liquor Stores - bars and liquor stores only care if the kid does not have a quality passable fake ID. the establishment's only liability is that they ask to check the ID and at least take a solid look at it to see if it's an obvious fake. but if a kid has a top-notch fake ID that doesn't draw any suspicion, then there's nothing else that can be done. the store certainly doesn't "care" for the kids' welfare...the only reason they check these days is to cover their own ass 5. Police - ok, this is the only one I'll give you. the police do care No Worries, this whole issue can be settled just by one simple question (which is related to the colleges point)...if you truly believe in that list you gave, then *why is underage drinking still rampant and alive across the entire country* ??? with no signs anywhere of slowing down or going away??? I mean if you think so many people and institutions care, then you would think underage drinking would be isolated types of situations? at least that's what you seem to be implying. and yet we all know that it happens EVERYWHERE...every college, every city, every state
