McFadden seems like a guy that once his rookie contract runs out and he changes team, someone might basically pick up a legit feature back for a good price. The Raiders are just a terrible team, terrible management, etc. Oakland is where talent goes to die basically. Other teams with wasted talent due to the system? I think TO could still be a game changer if Dallas if they had reconciled and kept him. It certainly appears that Tony Romo misses him as an option and that Roy Williams doesn't gather enough attention to open up the rest of the field. I also think that Tampa Bay basically has three RBs good enough to be feature backs on various other teams, but they are stuck in a three headed monster RB system.
Pun, you know the basis of the VY hate right? its cause he went to UT. Then he goes to the Titans (Bud Adams). He'll have his haters in Houston, even though none of these haters have ever done anything close to bringing pride to the city than he has.
I think this pretty shows that Romo is way overrated. Roy Williams caught a billion passes from scrubs in Detroit. Romo's decision making is terrible and he's not accurate, those passes yesterday were too high. It clearly wasn't TO's fault in Dallas.
Yeah, I understand that but I have seen people on the board that are on the exact opposite end of that spectrum. I say they need to let him play to see what he can do.
I honestly never thought there would be a day that the Raiders would suck so bad that I would not in good faith be able to want them to win any more. Yesterday was that day. I can't support that trash out on the field. I really do feel bad for the players and the coaching staff, I really do. There are great players on this defense (Morrison, Aso, Seymour) that are forced to play a style that doesn't suit them and makes them vulnerable to any offensive coordinator with half a brain. It is all one man's fault. A man who needs to be removed from his position of power before I think I can ever support this team again. At this point, I want to just put them out of my mind. I think I want them to continue to fail and continue to embarrass Al Davis until he finally has to swallow his pride and realize it isn't the coaches, it isn't the players, its YOU. The Raiders have been a joke of an organization since Davis traded away Gruden and then watched Callahan coast on auto-pilot with Gruden's players and system all the way to the Super Bowl where they were promptly dismantled by... Gruden. If we had a competent person trying to run this franchise from the ground up, I'd be able to deal with the tons of losses... but this is something else entirely. It is lunacy at its finest. At this point I think I'm actually part of the problem by continuing to support this horse****. As a fan, I've been pushed to my extreme limits. I don't even think Russell is THAT bad, sure his offensive line was ****, his running backs consistently gave him 2nd and long, and he had some receivers dropping the ball... but he's still not ever going to be even a decent QB unless he finds some accuracy. McFadden would be a lot better in a Reggie Bush type role, Zach Miller is one of the best TEs in the league, but he'll never put up numbers here, the list goes on and on. Norv Turner and Randy Moss rebounded pretty well from their stints in Oakland. Warren Sapp is completely right. The situation is as ****ed as a situation has ever been in Pro Football, and until the Grim Reaper comes calling to put Al Davis out of the Raiders' misery... I'm out.
they should let him play. I think the bigger problem with Titans is that they're defense is not the same with their old D coach and Haynesworth.
Reggie Bush, VY, and Matt Leinart... NOT They all started in systems perfectly suited to their talents, and they failed. Bush is in a high powered offense, VY had a solid run game with a conservative offense that didn't need the long ball, and Leinart had stud receivers. Forget it, I think they are all busts. JeMarcus Russell has a better case, he's just on a crappy, crappy team. Maybe with the right coaching he can do well.
I was thinking that too although I think Collins has been exposed this year. Collins had the running game to fall back on last year. Well this year it hasn't gone anywhere as Johnson leads the league in rushing and the Titans are 7th in rushing yards, right where they finished last season. Kenny Britt looks like he could be a good wide receiver and Gage and Washington are not bad. The combination of the slumping quarterback and changes on defense have contributing to this demise.
tinman, you are clearly delusional. The reason we all hate Vince Young is because of people like you. Seriously, you (and others like you but you are the ring leader) ruined liking a player because of all the bull**** after he was not drafted by the Texans. We heard over and over about how Mario Williams was the demise of the Texans and Vince Young was going to revolutionize the game of football. Four years later the Texans have a perennial pro bowler while Vince Young is a third string bench warmer on an 0-4 team. Scoreboard mother ****er. P.S. Vince Young in no way makes me proud to be a Houstonian. There are tons of people that have done a lot more for the city. And before you go out and post 5000 pics of VY wearing a Rockets jersey, being a Rockets fan doesn't mean ****. There are plenty of other people that are Rockets fans that I can't ****ing stand either.
Yes, and not just because I don't give a **** about Bud Adams or Houston football history. I'd trade Al Davis for Amy Adams. As far as the VY thing, he looked downright awful this preseason. Just didn't go through his reads well, made some truly terrible throws... looked lost out there and not anywhere close to on the same page with his receivers. I thought he'd be better honestly, He was great in college because of his poise. He had a great ability to make the tough throws when he needed to. I think he got mind****ed a little bit, and it got to him. Quarterback is the toughest position in sports and I don't think he's anywhere near mature enough to handle it.
I'm not sure he's over-rated. He put up big numbers in the last couple years, even in games where TO wasn't that big of a factor. I think the receiving talent in Dallas is over-rated, and that Crayton, Austin, Hurd, etc looked better because TO was garnering so much attention. Now that defenses can spread out across the field, its messing up timing etc. Anyways, I'm not a big Cowboys fan, but I've seen enough of Romo to admit he's an upper echelon QB on most Sundays. I also think people forget that this is only his third year or so as a full time starter, he never really had a sophmore slump, and the Cowboys have a crazy good record with him at QB. I also think that he's been so consistently good, people are over-reacting to a couple bad games. I know they haven't done anything in the playoffs, but even Peyton Manning was stumped in the playoffs for the first few years of his career.
Bush has done alright for himself, and really so has VY. Leinart has been complete crap, and I expected the most out of him. Boldin/Fitzgerald should have made his life easy.
Vince Young is the wrong system. He needs to go back to the NCAA, the NFL is absolutely the wrong system for him.
I agree with Tony Dorsett. I think expectations were/are so high for Tony Romo he has nowhere to go but down. Do I think he is overrated, maybe but time will tell. Would I put him within the top 10 quarterbacks in the league, maybe but it would be at the bottom half of that if he made it.
