Can you name me any private organization that isn't in some way sunsidized by government? Does that make everything a public org? That's right...private individual shareholders. The fact that many private entities owns the Packers does not make them any less private than if they had one owner.
What I meant was that the people who are being hired, are being hired because they are more qualified in the eyes of the people doing the hiring. That's your argument? And I'm a dolt? You are reaching now.
So...then I suppose that these coaches were chosen over Shell because they were white? You are the waste of time...and you are a racist.
What the advocates of minority quotas in the NFL fail to recognize is that the racial applicant pool for head coaches is *much* different than the racial pool for players. While 80% or so of the NFL's players are black, an overwhelming majority of the applicant pool for coaches is white. What makes someone a good player doesn't necessarily make them a good coach. What makes someone a good coach doesn't necessarily make them a good player. To claim that 80% of the NFL's players are black and therefore a similar percentage of head coaches should be black is simply ludicrous. To accuse owners of discriminating based on race is ignoring a multitude of other factors which go into the decision making proces.
Timing, I'm not an NFL owner, but I am involved in the hiring process at my job. Personally, I don't care about skin color, but I do care about personality, and how they would mesh with my team of people. Has it ever occured to you that some of these black coaches that were interviewed, although had some great coaching ability, just didn't fit in? Also, if you were a coach, would you interview with an owner, knowing that you have that interview based solely on a policy? I sure as hell wouldn't, and can't imagine any self respecting man with a shred of pride would either.
They weren't hired because the person doing the hiring didn;t think that Art Shell was the best man for the job. This and racism are not mutually exclusive. Racist Owner has two candidates: black coach and white coach. Racist Owner is going to think white coach is the better man because he doesn't like black coach due to his race. Racist Owner picks best man for the job in his eyes - white coach. Is this not racist? Of course the organizations pick the best man for the job in their eyes. If those eyes are racially subjective, you're back at square one. What's your point?
What the advocates of minority quotas in the NFL fail to recognize is that the racial applicant pool for head coaches is *much* different than the racial pool for players. What the illiterate fail to recognize is that no one is advocating minority quotas.
Originally posted by Refman Can you name me any private organization that isn't in some way sunsidized by government? Does that make everything a public org? I think there's quite a difference between a city building the infrastructure for a company and the city passing tax referendums to specifically build a workplace for an organization. Best Buy is never on the ballot.
Whats MY point? I guess your and Timing's point is that most or all of owners in the NFL are racists and that they need to be forced to interview black head coaches because they wouldn't otherwise do so. And I am being accused of reading the minds of the NFL owners???
Originally posted by NJRocket What I meant was that the people who are being hired, are being hired because they are more qualified in the eyes of the people doing the hiring. Actually this is what you meant. It's totally clear but nice job trying to skew the context of your answer. Are you implying that the white ex-players all just happen to be smarter / more-qualified than the black ex-players? Smarter? I can't answer that. More qualified? In the eyes of the people doing the hiring, yes
Neither are the tax rebates, etc etc that the state gives these businesses every year. A decade ago several corps including Frito-Lay decided to relocate their HQs to Plano, TX. Do you think that mass migration was a coincidence? Of course not...they were given a deal. The only difference is that stadiums are publicized. So under your formula I guess Frito-Lay is now a government funded enterprise.
Major, please read, this was a quote included in NJRocket's first post of the thread. Clearly, a quota exists within the hiring process. "The guidelines stipulate that Jones apprise the league that he plans to make a coaching change, must conduct a legitimate search, and the process must include minority candidates." Keep trying, rookie.
Originally posted by Sonny No you are trying to turn every nit picking detail into something that the minorities are getting cheated out of, it is tiring. This isn't the X-Files and all of the NFL owners aren't against hiring minority coaches. It is like Pole said earlier, would you suggest that we set some mandatory % on the racial makeup of the NBA based upon fan attendance or the US Population? Pole already admitted that his example was terrible so you might not want to use it. You've failed to give a good reason as to why 5 of 149 coaches are minorities. You're telling me it's because they're the best qualified and I'm telling you it's a result of a good ole boy system. But a team should be allowed to promote from within even if it means passing over a better qualified candidate. White or Black or whatever color. It is about loyalty to the team. So it's not about the best man for the job then? You can't have it both ways. You can't say they were the best man for the job and then say well you should be allowed to pick someone other than the best man under xyz scenarios.
