Next year’s draft factor in #2 pick

Always pick the best player available. Always. Otherwise you're overreaching which is never good. You worry about overlap latter and address that through trades.

 

AFAIK Holmgren and Banchero are really good and they’re both Bigs. Jaden Hardy i think is the highest rated wing. I don’t know much about them yet, I’ll wait for us to actually get a pick within that range.

 

absolutely

But I think one small intangible with drafting freshman centers is they often help you tank the next yr too, giving you a better pick the following yr due to their often slower development.

this is not a Mobley v Green post, just stating a small intangible wrt thread topic

 

Love Banchero and Hardy.

 

we shouldn't consider next year as we don't even know what range we'll be picking at. Even if we are really bad we can fall out of the top 5 depending on coin flip. You can't plan for Holmgren or Banchero what if you get like 8th or w/e.

 

Doesn't matter. You get the best player available, if the position is crowded then evacuate it or devise a system where it can work. The difference between the 3rd and 4th best player in the draft could be gigantic, you can't mess with that.

We're not trying to win a title and 2 ball dominant players can play on the same team - in fact most NBA titles are won that way.

 

Spoiler

https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2021

1. CHET HOLMGREN | C
Minneapolis, MN | Minnehaha Academy
7'0" | 190
Gonzaga (VERBAL)

2. PAOLO BANCHERO | PF
Seattle, WA | O'Dea
6'9" | 235
Duke (SIGNED)

3. JADEN HARDY | SG
Henderson, NV | Coronado
6'4" | 180
G LEAGUE IGNITE

4. JABARI SMITH | PF
Tyrone, GA | Sandy Creek
6'9" | 210
Auburn (SIGNED)

5. PATRICK BALDWIN JR. | PF
Sussex, WI | Hamilton
6'9" | 205
Milwaukee (VERBAL)

6. CALEB HOUSTAN | SF
Montverde , FL | Montverde Academy
6'8" | 200
Michigan (SIGNED)

7. KENNEDY CHANDLER | PG
Bel Aire, KS | Sunrise Christian Academy
6'0" | 165
Tennessee (SIGNED)

8. KENDALL BROWN | SF
Bel Aire, KS | Sunrise Christian Academy
6'7" | 200
Baylor (SIGNED)

9. PEYTON WATSON | SF
Long Beach, CA | Poly
6'7" | 185
UCLA (SIGNED)

10. JD DAVISON | PG
Letohatchee, AL | Calhoun
6'3" | 180
Alabama (VERBAL)

11. TY TY WASHINGTON JR. | PG
Phoenix , AZ | Compass Prep
6'4" | 180
Kentucky (VERBAL)

12. HARRISON INGRAM | SF
Dallas, TX | St. Mark's
6'7" | 205
Stanford (SIGNED)

13. A.J. GRIFFIN | SF
White Plains, NY | Archbishop Stepinac
6'6" | 190
Duke (SIGNED)

14. MATTHEW CLEVELAND | SF
Atlanta, GA | Pace Academy
6'7" | 190
Florida State (SIGNED)

15. DAIMION COLLINS | PF
Atlanta, TX | Atlanta
6'9" | 205
Kentucky (SIGNED)



http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings

1. Chet Holmgren | C
Minneapolis, MN | Minnehaha Academy
7'1'' | 195 | 97(GRADE)
GONZAGA(SIGNED)

2. Jaden Hardy | SG
Henderson, NV | Coronado High School
6'4'' | 185 | 97(GRADE)
G LEAGUE IGNITE

3. Paolo Banchero | PF
Seattle, WA | O'Dea High School
6'9'' | 225 | 97(GRADE)
DUKE(SIGNED)

4. Patrick Baldwin Jr. | PF
Sussex, WI | Hamilton High School
6'9'' | 220 | 97(GRADE)
MILWAUKEE(SIGNED)

5. Jabari Smith | PF
Tyrone, GA | Sandy Creek High School
6'9'' | 205 | 97(GRADE)
AUBURN(SIGNED)

6. Caleb Houstan | SF
Montverde, FL | Montverde Academy
6'8'' | 200 | 96(GRADE)
MICHIGAN(SIGNED)

7. Michael Foster | PF
Milwaukee, WI | Hillcrest Prep
6'8'' | 215 | 96(GRADE)
G LEAGUE IGNITE

8. Kennedy Chandler | PG
Memphis, TN | Sunrise Christian Academy
6'1'' | 170 | 95(GRADE)
TENNESSEE(SIGNED)

9. Nate Bittle | C
Central Point, OR | Prolific Prep
6'11'' | 205 | 94(GRADE)
OREGON(SIGNED)

10. Peyton Watson | SF
Long Beach, CA | Long Beach Polytechnic High School
6'7'' | 185 | 94(GRADE)
UCLA(SIGNED)

11. Moussa Diabate | PF
Bradenton, FL | IMG Academy
6'9'' | 215 | 94(GRADE)
MICHIGAN(SIGNED)

12. TyTy Washington | PG
Phoenix, AZ | AZ Compass Prep
6'3'' | 175 | 94(GRADE)
KENTUCKY(SIGNED)

13. J.D. Davison | PG
Letohatchee, AL | Calhoun High School
6'2'' | 185 | 94(GRADE)
ALABAMA(SIGNED)

14. Hunter Sallis | PG
Omaha, NE | Millard North High School
6'3'' | 175 | 93(GRADE)
GONZAGA(SIGNED)

15. Kendall Brown | SF
Cottage Grove, MN | Sunrise Christian Academy
6'8'' | 205 | 92(GRADE)
BAYLOR(SIGNED)


https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

1. Chet Holmgren | C
Minnehaha Academy (Minneapolis, MN)
7-0 / 190
1.0000(RATING)
1(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

2. Paolo Banchero | PF
O Dea (Seattle, WA)
6-9 / 235
0.9995(RATING)
2(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

3. Jaden Hardy | CG(Combo Guard)
Coronado (Henderson, NV)
6-4 / 190
0.9994(RATING)
3(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

4. Jabari Smith | PF
Sandy Creek (Tyrone, GA)
6-10 / 210
0.9988(RATING)
4(National) 2(Position) 1(State)

5. Patrick Baldwin Jr. | SF
Hamilton (Sussex, WI)
6-9 / 190
0.9986(RATING)
5(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

6. Kennedy Chandler | PG
Sunrise Christian (Wichita, KS)
6-1 / 165
0.9975(RATING)
6(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

7. Caleb Houstan | PF
Montverde Academy (Montverde, FL)
6-8 / 205
0.9973(RATING)
7(National) 3(Position) 1(State)

8. Peyton Watson | SF
Long Beach Poly (Long Beach, CA)
6-8 / 190
0.9973(RATING)
8(National) 2(Position) 1(State)

9. Scoota Henderson | PG
Kell (Marietta, GA)
6-3 / 180
0.9965(RATING)
9(National) 2(Position) 2(State)

10. JD Davison | PG
Calhoun Sch (Letohatchee, AL)
6-3 / 175
0.9957(RATING)
10(National) 3(Positional) 1(State)

11. Kendall Brown | SF
Sunrise Christian (Wichita, KS)
6-8 / 205
0.9957(RATING)
11(National) 3(Position) 2(State)

12. TyTy Washington | PG
Compass Prep (Chandler, AZ)
6-3 / 185
0.9953(RATING)
12(National) 4(Positional) 1(State)

13. Daimion Collins | PF
Atlanta (Atlanta, TX)
6-9 / 210
0.9950(RATING)
13(National) 4(Position) 1(State)

14. Moussa Diabate | PF
IMG Academy (Bradenton, FL)
6-10 / 215
0.9945(RATING)
14(National) 5(Position) 2(State)

15. AJ Griffin | SF
Archbishop Stepinac (White Plains, NY)
6-7 / 200
0.9944(RATING)
15(National) 4(Position) 1(State)

 

Spoiler

https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2020

1. CADE CUNNINGHAM | PG
Montverde, FL | Montverde Academy
6'7" | 215
Oklahoma State

2. JALEN GREEN | SG
Napa, CA | Prolific Prep
6'5" | 170
G LEAGUE IGNITE

3. JONATHAN KUMINGA | SF
Hillside, NJ | The Patrick School
6'8" | 210
G LEAGUE IGNITE

4. EVAN MOBLEY | C
Temecula, CA | Rancho Christian
7'0" | 205
USC

5. B.J. BOSTON | SG
Chatsworth, CA | Sierra Canyon
6'7" | 185
Kentucky

6. ZIAIRE WILLIAMS | SF
Chatsworth, CA | Sierra Canyon
6'8" | 190
Stanford

7. SCOTTIE BARNES | PF
Montverde, FL | Montverde Academy
6'8" | 210
Florida State

8. TERRENCE CLARKE | SG
Wolfeboro, NH | Brewster Academy
6'6" | 185
Kentucky

9. JALEN JOHNSON | SF
Glendale, WI | Nicolet
6'8" | 220
Duke

10. GREG BROWN | SF
Austin, TX | Vandegrift
6'8" | 190
Texas

11. JALEN SUGGS | PG
Minneapolis, MN | Minnehaha Academy
6'4" | 185
Gonzaga

12. JOSHUA CHRISTOPHER | SG
Lakewood, CA | Mayfair
6'5" | 215
Arizona State

13. DAY'RON SHARPE | C
Montverde, FL | Montverde Academy
6'9" | 225
North Carolina

14. MOUSSA CISSE | C
Memphis, TN | Lausanne Collegiate School
6'10" | 220
Memphis

15. DAISHEN NIX | PG
Las Vegas, NV | Trinity International
6'4" | 190
G LEAGUE IGNITE


http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2020/order/true

1. Jalen Green | SG
Fresno, CA | Prolific Prep
6'5'' | 180 | 97(GRADE)
G LEAGUE IGNITE

2. Cade Cunningham | PG
Arlington, TX | Montverde Academy
6'7'' | 215 | 97(GRADE)
OKLAHOMA ST

3. Evan Mobley | C
Temecula, CA | Rancho Christian School
7'0'' | 205 | 97
USC

4. Jonathan Kuminga | SF
Elizabeth, NJ | The Patrick School
6'7'' | 210 | 97(GRADE)
G LEAGUE IGNITE

5. Scottie Barnes | PF
West Palm Beach, FL | Montverde Academy
6'7'' | 210 | 96(GRADE)
FLORIDA ST

6. Jalen Suggs | PG
Minneapolis, MN | Minnehaha Academy
6'4'' | 195 | 96(GRADE)
GONZAGA

7. B.J. Boston | SF
Chatsworth, CA | Sierra Canyon High School
6'6'' | 175 | 96(GRADE)
KENTUCKY

8. Ziaire Williams | SF
Chatsworth, CA | Sierra Canyon High School
6'8'' | 180 | 95(GRADE)
STANFORD

9. Greg Brown | PF
Austin, TX | Vandegrift High School
6'8'' | 205 | 95
TEXAS

10. Terrence Clarke | SF
Wolfeboro, NH | Brewster Academy
6'7'' | 190 | 95(GRADE)
KENTUCKY

11. Josh Christopher | SG
Lakewood, CA | Mayfair High School
6'4'' | 205 | 95(GRADE)
ARIZONA ST

12. Day'Ron Sharpe | C
Winterville, NC | Montverde Academy
6'9'' | 225 | 94(GRADE)
N CAROLINA

13. Jalen Johnson | SF
Glendale, WI | Nicolet High School
6'8'' | 210 | 94(GRADE)
DUKE

14. Walker Kessler | C
Fairburn, GA | Woodward Academy
6'11'' | 220 | 94(GRADE)
N CAROLINA

15. Isaiah Todd | PF
Richmond, VA | Word of God Christian Academy
6'9'' | 215 | 94(GRADE)
G LEAGUE IGNITE


https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

1. Cade Cunningham | PG
Montverde Academy (Arlington, TX)
6-6 / 215
0.9999(RATING)
1(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

2. Jalen Green | CG(Combo Guard)
Prolific Prep (Napa, CA)
6-5 / 170
0.9998(RATING)
2(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

3. Evan Mobley | C
Rancho Christian (Temecula, CA)
6-11 / 205
0.9993(RATING)
3(National) 1(Position) 2(State)

4. Jonathan Kuminga | SF
The Patrick School (Congo, CONG)
6-8 / 205
0.9990(RATING)
4(National) 1(Position) 1(State)

5. Brandon Boston Jr. | SG
Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA)
6-6 / 175
0.9984(RATING)
5(National) 1(Position) 3(State)

6. Ziaire Williams | SF
Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA)
6-7 / 175
0.9983(RATING)
6(National) 2(Position) 4(State)

7. Scottie Barnes | PF
Montverde Academy (Montverde, FL)
6-8 / 210
0.9979(RATING)
7(National) 1(Position) 2(State)

8. Terrence Clarke | SG
Brewster Academy (Boston, MA)
6-7 / 185
0.9971(RATING)
8(National) 2(Position) 1(State)

9. Greg Brown | PF
Vandegrift (Austin, TX)
6-9 / 195
0.9968(RATING)
9(National) 2(Position) 1(State)

10. Moussa Cisse | C
Lausanne Collegiate School (Memphis, TN)
6-10 / 220
0.9968(RATING)
10(National) 2(Position) 1(State)

11. Jalen Suggs | CG
Minnehaha Academy (Minneapolis, MN)
6-5 / 200
0.9968(RATING)
11(National) 2(Position) 1(State)

12. Josh Christopher | SG
Mayfair (Lakewood, CA)
6-5 / 215
0.9967(RATING)
12(National) 3(Position) 5(State)

13. Jalen Johnson | SF
Nicolet (Milwaukee, WI)
6-8 / 215
0.9961(RATING)
13(National) 3(Position) 1(State)

14. Caleb Love | PG
Christian Brothers College (Saint Louis, MO)
6-3 / 170
0.9956(RATING)
14(National) 2(Position) 1(State)

15. Day'Ron Sharpe | C
Montverde Academy (Montverde, FL)
6-10 / 246
0.9946(RATING)
15(National) 3(Position) 3(State)

 

This year:
Pick the best player you can at #2
Pick the best player you can with the other picks.
Roll the ball out and see who your best players are.
Play the season
Find out where you're drafting next year.

Next year:
Pick the best player available.

 

https://nbadraftroom.com/the-elite-25-the-top-25-prospects-in-high-school-basketball/

High School Seniors: 2022 Draft

Guards and Wings
3. Jaden Hardy – 6-5 – SG – Henderson, NV – HSsr.
10. Jabari Smith – 6-8 – SF – Tyron, GA (Auburn) – HSsr.
11. Caleb Houstan – 6-8 – SF – Montverde (Michigan) – HSsr.
12. Adrian Griffin Jr. – 6-6 – SF – Duke commit – HSsr.
Honorable Mention: Nolan Hickman – 6-2 – PG – Kentucky commit – HSsr.
Honorable Mention: J.D. Davison – 6-2 – PG – Alabama commit – HSsr.


Big/Tall Forwards and Centers
2. Chet Holmgren 7-0 – C – Minneapolis, MN – HSsr.
5. Paolo Banchero 6-10 – PF – Seattle, WA (Duke) – HSsr.
7. Patrick Baldwin Jr – 6-10 – SF/PF – Sussex, WI – HSsr.
9. Daimion Collins – 6-9 – PF – Atlanta, TX (Kentucky) – HSsr.
21. Mike Foster – 6-9 – PF – Milwaukee, WI – HSsr.
Honorable Mention: Payton Watson – 6-9 – SF – Long Beach, CA (UCLA) – HSsr.
Honorable Mention: Moussa Diabate – 6-9 – SF/PF – IMG (France) – HSsr.

From this list, the better talent for 2022 draft will be big men. So go with Jalen Green as 2nd pick in 2021, try to trade 23rd and 24th picks to go up for Kai Jones or BPA if not, then draft a big man in lottery and 6-8/6-9 in the back of 2022 draft.

 

Precisely, teams that try to get cute about fit, end up regretting it way too often. I guess this philosophy would work if players were assuredly legit NBA talents, but with all of the freshmen in the draft, there isn't as much concrete information to make a determination on a G-league player or sometimes even a up to a sophmore.

If you look at the NBA draft, even thought the stars get selected in the first round for the most part, there seem to be 4 times as many misses as there are hits.... The NBA is a true roll of the dice, too many goose eggs even in the lottery picks.

So, ignore the fit need away, and go for best player available regardless of need. I'd rather have a talented all-star on the team, playing behind another all-star, than a guy who can't even make the roster 2 or 3 years after laying an egg in his short NBA tenure, because he was a better fit..

 

High Schoolers being allowed back next year? Thought it was long rumored to be 2022 or 2023.

 

If we go Mobley (which I hope we don't), I'm targeting Jalen Hardy for 2022. Kid's smooth and could be as good if not better than Green. He's hitting from Steph/Dame range consistently.

 

Not only better shooter, Hardy is much better passer as well.

Oh, and he can play defense too.

 

It is not all that clear in a deep draft where anyone could excel with the right amount of work and know how.

 

Much better shooter than Green. Not even close to Green athletically. Elite shooting is just as valuable though.

 

I think you should always draft BPA.