NEXT GEN Gaming Console, PS5 and Xbox Series X news/upates

They've been awfully quiet about their backwards compatibility features, I don't think they'll have something similar.
Microsoft really pushed backwards technology this time.

 

Its software though isn’t it? They could always push an update at a later time?

 

My tv has a wide color gamut and allows for 10 bit color. My combination of perfect black levels and brightness is elite

Same for @Ziggy
OLED is king

you best believe our TVs destroy all the insignia and rca sets most Clutchfans have

 

Microsoft hasn't said how exactly this is done, just that the console is doing it without touching GPU or CPU resources.

Guess we gotta wait for further details, would be awesome if Sony did something similar to all the stuff MS is doing, as my PS4 library and backlog is quite big and I'd also love to revisit some games.

 

Breh even 400 dollar TVs have wcg and 10bit now, it's nothing elite.

 

lol OLED > all
But I get it . Some people don’t want the best.
@Ziggy

that $500 ps5 with that $99 24 inch insignia is the bees knees for some

 

@Ziggy
I get it. Some people’s main gaming tv is our guest room tv or the one you put in the laundry room

They like grey blacks
And crazy blooming around bright objects

they like ghosting

 

MS is using their cloud services to do atleast some of of the BC.

 

You are just parroting what a salesman or OLED cult forum are saying, you and ziggy not even once went into any technical detail here and mix up some of the terms.

Have you even seen a high-end QLED at someone's home or what are ya basing your decision on? A Q9FN like mine has 480 dimming zones and even calibrators and experts say you can't tell the difference between the blacks most of the time, there's virtually zero blooming or signs of grey blacks in 99% of the content.

I've stayed for weeks with ppl who had a top of the line, calibrated OLED and I know the advantages and disadvantages from first hand, but I wouldn't want one.

I guess we can talk about OLED issues like vertical banding, black crush, peak and sustained brightness, color gamut, volume, color grading, low framerate playback, degradation over time, burn-in, issues when facing UV radiation etc, but don't think you know anything about it or can actually compare from real life viewing experience.

 

Pfft, I got no OLED issues except that I'm watching too much and playing too much on a superior display

those edge lit LED people crying all the time

@Ziggy

 

Well it isn't edge lit, it's FALD and like I mentioned has 480 zones.

But you just wanna troll and know nothing about the tech, so Imma let you enjoy your OLED.

 

OLED > FALD
@Ziggy

 

Do you mean for some of the machine learning stuff (mostly/only for auto HDR I think?)? I don't think they would be using the cloud services while actually playing a game, but I could see them using the cloud to help compute some values for things like auto HDR (though probably not a requirement).

Do you remember where you read this? I'd like to look more into it if it is actually leveraging cloud services quite a bit. I assumed it was mostly hardware emulation with a bit of (local) software running on top for some of these misc enhancements.



As for Sony and the PS5, I wouldn't expect Auto HDR or potentially any other special enhancements that MS either implements for launch or later on. Unless these are things that are provided nearly for "free", like boosts in resolution and/or framerate, I don't think Sony will bother. They *could* do it, but they don't seem that interested, especially with Jim "Why Would You Want to Play Old Games?" Ryan in charge.

 

They haven't really shown anything yet, but have said that they are experimenting on AI upscaling games while utilizing the cloud in real time.

The Auto HDR supposedly works similar and MS has said it is done in real time, utilizing cloud and the database, calculating and mapping games on the fly.

 

Do you have any links where I can read/hear more about this? I'm having problems finding this on my own.

All I see are talks of them using AI/machine learning to develop algorithms to upscale and add HDR, but I don't see anything about them using online services for real-time computations. That seems like a poor implementation IMO, especially for BC, so I'm curious to know what I might be missing that makes this a good solution (obviously the Xbox team knows better than me ).

 

There's only little known about it, but what I could find:
https://wccftech.com/an-xbox-game-s...-res-textures-to-be-ai-upscaled-in-real-time/

https://venturebeat.com/2020/10/06/...arning-auto-hdr-renders-stunning-results/amp/

 

what do you think Project xCloud is? MS is using Cloud Services to handle much, if not all, of the game performance in various applications. xCloud is different, but the same type of premise of using Cloud infrastructure for gaming applications.

https://www.techradar.com/news/proj...know-about-microsofts-cloud-streaming-service

 

@Ziggy @RC Cola

Take a guess at best tv for HDR Gaming

Digital Foundry = legit

 

Ah, OK well that sounds like what I thought it was. Maybe I was just misunderstanding what you all were saying. One of the links mentioned DLSS, which is basically how I thought this auto HDR and potential upscaling stuff would work. But they're not having the XSX connect to XBL every second to help generate the HDR or upscale the image, which is what I thought you might have been implying. You can play all your BC titles offline and still get all the same enhancements (maybe you'll need a OS update from time to time though).

Back to the original point, I definitely don't see Sony bothering with this for BC, though I feel I can almost guarantee they'll do something for PS5 games (at least the image/asset upscaling). I'm really curious to see how MS and Sony handle this in the next few years.

Project xCloud is their game streaming service. I'm not aware of anything special going on beyond that with their cloud services, and that link seemed to support my understanding unless I missed something.

Even if I did miss that, I can't see them really pushing a lot of things into the cloud when it comes to game performance. They tried to push that misconception in the current-generation, but it doesn't really work that way. You can get some great stuff like what we see in Flight Simulator, but that's more to do with processing all of the satellite/terrain data and not so much graphics/performance stuff. I'm excited to see more stuff like that, but to be clear, I don't believe this will significantly help increase resolutions, image quality, framerate, etc.

Machine learning, on the other hand, can definitely help out a lot.

 

Hey look, there's my LG C9. No surprise to 99.99% of the population though. 99'ers know.