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NewsOK.com: OKC beat writer thinks Reggie Jackson's days in OKC are numbered

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. Grapenutz

    Grapenutz Rookie

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    Im not disputing whether winning a chip is a factor. It is. But its not a HUGE factor in improving the value of your franchise

    and certainly not as important as having talented players that you can market to your fans. This is the most important factor. This is why the Lakers over the yrs have spent millions luring big name franchise players away (Chamberlain, Jabbar, shaq etc). Jerry Buss understood this before most owners
     
  2. BigBenito

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    Breaking new: water is wet.

    Of course OKC is not going to afford to pay high dollar for their 6th man. Curse of presti. He needs to draft worse and trade the picks away for 2nd round picks.
     
  3. Grapenutz

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    Lol!!! Drafting worse is the Morey way. Thats why Houston is still on the mediocrity train
     
  4. xiki

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    21/6/7 is close to TripleDouble? Unreal for a PG? Ask the Big O. Or try Magic.
    Love is 27/14/4. Lowry is 16/4/7. And that's off the top of my Okie head.

    Sorry, chum, you are going downhill faster on this than Amar'e's trade value.
     
  5. rhino17

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    OKC is never gonna win a championship
     
  6. BigBenito

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    Never is a long time.

    But, it isn't hard to bet against any particular team. Very few win championships. So, good job with going out on a major limb there.
     
  7. Icehouse

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    Miami essentially has 3 max contracts. Yes, the Thunder are cheap for breaking up a core of 4 star players all under the age of 25, that just went to the Finals and were poised to rule the conference for a decade and compete for multiple titles. We haven't had a situation like that, with so much young great talent on one team, since the 80's Celtics. Yes, you are cheap for not paying to maintain that. Would the Lakers, Houston or Miami let $$ break up that core? Hell no!
     
  8. AXG

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    You talk as if they're polar opposites when the two usually go together.
     
  9. A_3PO

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    OKC can win it all this year if WB comes back in time enough to be 100% on his game in the playoffs and if Bonehead doesn't get in the way.

    Two big ifs.
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    Exactly.

    The reason why OKC is putting out not only a "good product" but actually a great one is because they have two top star players. Great for them but top star players tend to be highly competitive people who want to win championships. If by the time these stars get to become unrestricted FAs they feel that the ownership is not doing all that it can to maximize the teams's chances at winning championships, they will have to consider working elsewhere for that pursuit.

    And if these guys choose to leave, then OKC will not be putting out a great product like they have been. They could remain competitive, they may rebuild and bounce back, but these are no certainty even with good decision making in basketball ops (and who is to say that these smart basketball people will keep working for these owners if they have better offers elsewhere?).

    Cleveland was putting out a "great product" when Lebron James was there, winning 60+ games. But eventually James became a FA and chose a path better for his title chances. And Cleveland was no longer that good.

    I think OKC's current management is better than Cleveland's former management-- and conversely, Cleveland was much more willing to spend than OKC is now. The point remains that winning a title is really really hard even for the best managed teams and the most talented players. You have to go for it with all the resources that you have when the window is still open. If a star player-- be it Durant, Lebron, Kobe or whoever-- doesn't feel like he is getting all the help that he can get from the entire organization, he has to think about finding a new group to work with.
     
  11. Aleron

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    he's right, miami doesn't have 3 max contracts, it has 3 supermax contracts...
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    I think they have a good chance of winning.

    But they would have had a better chance had they kept Harden (and if need be, amnestied Perk to save on the tax).

    Winning a title is hard enough and depend so much on factors outside of your control (health, first and foremost) that it just make no sense to do anything to lower your chances from, say, 35% to 25%.
     
  13. A_3PO

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    Agreed they should have kept Harden. It was a setback Presti may never live down.
     
  14. xiki

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    Win. Or go home (for Presti).

    Winning is so iffy you have to grab at any chance every chance you get.
     
  15. Pull_Up_3

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    wut..
     
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    Rather than Presti viewing this as another Harden type of situation where his days are numbered, I dont know why they dont at least try to make it work where they could potentially play Jackson and Westbrook on the court at the same time.

    Both have the advantage of being able to guard pretty much all 2's in the league at this point. However they are both attacking guards who like the ball in their hands. You are looking at a situation similar to that of Harden & Lin where most likely Jackson (like Lin in Houston) would need to develop a 3 point shot to effectively play off the ball & space the floor at times when Westbrook is in attack mode. However there is no doubt in my mind that those two couldn't possibly find a way to play with each other on the floor together at the same time.

    Tabo is a really nice player, but he's a complementary player IMO. Much like Perkins before the Harden trade, you CANNOT have his future tenure as a Thunder player impact one of your core pieces getting shipped out of the organization. You either move Tabo to the bench, or trade him if needed.
     
  17. meh

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    I know you're just saying this because you can't handle the truth. Which is that if OKC wins a championship, their value will stay roughly the same. But if they move to Seattle next year to be the Sonics again, their value will double easily.

    Enjoy your time in the sun. Because when 2016 rolls around, you'll know what Orlando fans feel like for their entire existence.
     
  18. A_3PO

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    Without a doubt Thabo is gone after the season because his cheap contract expires. His 3-point shooting has tanked this year and his D has slumped a bit also.

    Bonehead does use WB & RJ at the same time, just not enough. In fact, playing them together is a part of OKC's best lineup. The problem is he seems determined to start Perkins & Thabo both halves no matter what and he won't pull either guy early when they get off to slow starts. Most OKC fans know that "feel and comfort" are more important to Bonehead than actual results on the floor.

    RJ's 3-point shot is now respectable but I don't think he will ever be good at it. (IMO, Ibaka will become OKC's next significant 3-point shooter, not RJ).

    To answer your question clearly: Thabo will have nothing to do with whether they keep RJ or not since he's expiring and will not be re-signed.
     
  19. FoOLiSh_AzN

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    1. Westbrook will be fine "at home" (see Derek Rose for reference)
     
  20. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Asked Scott Brooks about his substitution pattern for Reggie Jackson against the Nets. He said he thought Jackson was dealing with fatigue.</p>&mdash; Darnell Mayberry (@DarnellMayberry) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry/statuses/418887472416698368">January 2, 2014</a></blockquote>
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