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Newsbrief: Heartland Hysteria -- Bag of Dirt Gets First Grader Punished as Doper

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by GladiatoRowdy, Feb 21, 2005.

  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    I offered to let him choose a judge of his own (I assume he would choose texx), wanted to agree on one judge together (I offered BrianKagy and Jeff as my initial choices), and told him that I would choose MadMax as my judge, stacking the deck in his favor since all of these people are between very moderate and far right. I wanted the contest set up in this way so that there would be no confusion as to the leanings of the judges themselves and t_j would not be able to simply fall back on liberal bashing when I won.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Many states are moving to restrict sales of Sudafed, including putting them behind the pharmacist's counter and taking people's names when they buy the stuff. Apparntly, you can make meth out of Sudafed and a bunch of other stuff and as such, Sudafed is being criminalized as well.

    The drug war is unbelieveable in its audacity.
     
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    Regardless of one's opinion of the law, it must be obeyed. Those that disobey it impose an enormous burden on society. These people waste our taxpayer dollars by overcrowding our prisons, using police resources, having to be rehabbed, and an entire host of other drains. People who work hard and live by the law should not have to subsidize these poor decision makers. Really they shouldn't.

    If you want to change the law, then fine. Work to change the law (TIP: flooding a BBS with propaganda probably isn't the most effective use of time). Just don't abuse drugs during the process. All the pro-drug crowd wants to do is talk about how unfair it is. They never mention the negative impacts of drugs on peoples' lives, nor do they mention the tremendous amount of waste that drug users cost us all. Drug users are irresponsible, mentally weak, and a burden on society. Pretty hard to dispute that.
     
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    As I suggested before, use AAA rules. (American Arbitration Association - not the auto club)

    You pick one judge, he picks another, and together the two judges select a third judge, known as the umpire or the neutral.
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    John Milton (1608-1674)
    Men of most renowned virtue have sometimes by transgressing most truly kept the law.

    Only as a result of the masses of people disobeying Prohibition (and using the concept of jury nullification) was that misguided, dangerous policy overturned.

    By the same token, those that force unjust and counterproductive laws on society impose at least as much of a burden as those who choose to ignore it.

    Drains that would not exist if these laws were scrapped. The waste is created by the prohibitionists forcing their ideologically driven wants on the rest of society. The only waste that you mention here that is directly caused by drug usage (as opposed to prohibiting drug usage) is rehab. In a regulated market, all rehab could be funded by taxes on the drugs themselves, assuring that people who choose not to use drugs will never have to see their taxes pay for a drug user.

    I totally agree, which is one of the main reasons that I want to see prohibition overturned. In a regulated market, the "poor decision makers" would fund their own treatment through the taxes they pay, the jails, police, and court systems would be free of drug "criminals," further reducing the drain on taxpayers, and this country would no longer give billions upon billions of dollars to interdict and eradicate drugs to other countries, even further reducing the taxpayer burden.

    I DO work to change the law and in case you haven't been listening, I don't use drugs. Heck, I drink alcohol maybe three times a year and haven't actually been drunk in about five years.

    TIP: Calling factual reports "propaganda" isn't the most effective way to show people that you know how to analyze information.

    Drugs do have a negative impact on users' lives, but prohibition has a much larger negative impact on society. Nearly every negative impact that a drug user has to face is directly due to prohibition, not due to the drug itself.

    No, not really. This egregious lie is very, very easy to dispute given that millions upon millions of people use drug regularly and still hold down jobs, pay their taxes, raise their kids, and are productive members of society. In Switzerland, they have been doing prescription heroin trials for over a decade, a decade that has shown that even hardcore heroin junkies can lead normal, stable lives as responsible, taxpaying members of society if they are not faced with prohibition.
     
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    let's go get a drink.
     
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    I, like Martin Luther King Jr, disagree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.

    "Just as it is the duty of all men to obey just laws, so it is the duty of all men to disobey unjust laws" -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    There is also a great quote from St. Augustine quoted by Martin Luther King.

    "an unjust law is no law at all." -- St. Augustine

    The idea that unjust laws must be followed because they use tax money is ludicrous. I'm not talking just about drug laws here, but any law. To make a blanket statement that whether the law is a good one or not we still have to obey it is cowardice to a person's moral duty.
     

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