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New York Times: Hillary Clinton illegally used private email for all State Dept. business

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  1. FV Santiago

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    In order to win in 2016, Hillary must start putting distance between herself and Obama in terms of foreign policy. Obama's handling of foreign policy is deeply unpopular and has been highly ineffective. Russia, Syria, ISIS, Iran -- all poorly handled situations that lacked leadership. Netanyahu's visit was a slap in the face and made Obama look impotent on the world stage. The handling of Netanyahu's visit by Obama was petulant and childish -- attempting to divert attention and act as though his senior team was unavailable. It backfired. Obama came away looking small and ineffective -- humiliated in his own country by a foreign leader. The deal with Iran is the perfect setting for Hillary to depart from the Obama Administration's position on the Iranian deal making process. Hillary's opening was to advocate for Congress to approve any key terms of the Iranian deal. Obama doesn't want that. So Obama's team put Hillary on the defensive by planting the email story in the New York Times... even though it was an old story and even though other (albeit lesser positions) politicians follow similar practices.

    And one more thing -- Hillary had her own private email server primarily to keep the Obama team out of her business. Obviously she can never admit to that because it would sink her chances in 2016, but it's true.
     
  2. mc mark

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    "Rep. Schiff brought up a great point. If there were anything in the emails, Republicans would have quickly made the emails public in order to build and prolong the story. The fact that former Sec. Clinton has called for the emails to be released, but Republicans refuse to make them public, speaks volumes about what this “scandal” is really about. The subpoena for documents that they already had in their possession is straight out of the Republican Benghazi playbook."


    Rep. Adam Schiff dealt a death blow to the Clinton email scandal
    by going on CNN and revealing that members of the Benghazi committee have already read the Clinton emails and they contain nothing.
     
  3. Commodore

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    they only have emails Clinton chose to disclose, because she controls it all

    that's not how subpoenas work
     
  4. mc mark

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    On what actual facts are you basing these claims which you're making? Is it all just what you believe to be happening, or are there any actual facts out there that will back this up?

    Aside from that Obama got the Russians to do exactly what he wanted on Syria and that was handled pretty well.

    The only people that looked bad in the Bibi deal were the Republicans in congress, and Netanyahu who was called for lying in the speech he gave. Shame on the GOP for trying to use a foreign leader to make the leader of their own nation look bad. It really backfired on them though.
     
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  6. mc mark

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    Whatever you say Commie.

    Tell you what. Let's trade the missing 22 million from the bush years for all of Hillarys. fair?
     
  7. bingsha10

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    This is negligence on a ridiculous scale. That so many of you don't care just shows what partisan hacks you are.
     
  8. Major

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    Since you're not a partisan hack, can you point me to your outrage when the Bush admin not only did the same thing, but lost potentially 22 million emails in the process?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

    Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act.[1] Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted.[2][3] Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations.[4] In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.[5]

    The administration officials had been using a private Internet domain, called gwb43.com, owned by and hosted on an email server run by the Republican National Committee,[6] for various communications of unknown content or purpose. The domain name is an acronym standing for "George W. Bush, 43rd" President of the United States. The server came public when it was discovered that J. Scott Jennings, the White House's deputy director of political affairs, was using a gwb43.com email address to discuss the firing of the U.S. attorney for Arkansas.[7] Communications by federal employees were also found on georgewbush.com (registered to "Bush-Cheney '04, Inc."[8]) and rnchq.org (registered to "Republican National Committee"[9]), but, unlike these two servers, gwb43.com has no Web server connected to it — it is used only for email.[10]


    Please, show us your outrage from back then.
     
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    And to be clear, I don't think this is a non-scandal. This was stupid on Hillary's part, and given her history, there is naturally and rightfully going to be suspicion. But just having the server doesn't appear to be a violation of the law. If any emails were deleted, then you have a very real problem. But first, there are questions that need to be answered before we determine what happened:

    1. WHY did she set up her own server?
    2. Was this approved by the State Department, or was it just done on her own?
    3. What were the security protocols on the server and is there a way to independently verify activity (like deletion)?
    4. Is there any evidence to suggest anything was withheld or deleted?

    At this point, the whole thing is not good, but it's not a full-blown scandal. Further investigation is absolutely warranted and Clinton should explain herself. But the stupid unfounded claims such at the title of this thread and some of the subsequent accusations are simply partisan nonsense.
     
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    It's been a week and she still hasn't given an explanation. w/e explanation she gives now is some cooked up bull****.
     
  12. KingCheetah

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    ZOMG ~ ROTFLMAO!!!
     
  13. Major

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    Perhaps - but emails are not one-way communications. The recipient of every one of them has a record of it. So it's not like she can just delete everything and make it would go away. If there were deleted emails, all it takes is one person unhappy with Hillary to release it and prove it happened, and then she has a real problem. Or at least, as real as Bush had when it was found that his people had deleted emails - I'm assuming you were just as angry back then.
     
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    Do you expect anything else? Same thing with all the Bush and Cheney scandals.

    In any case, this stuff isn't what people care about - it's not really getting traction amongst the american public. People care about policy and their day to day lives.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    Says the guy who doesn't know how to use the word "you're."

    Again, care to summarize the video for those of us who don't accept anything on TV as evidence of anything? Didn't think so.
     
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  18. FV Santiago

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    My points in this thread are being confirmed already -- read the following Washington Post article. Number 1 is the point that Congress will fight in order to be able to weigh in on the Iran deal. Today's letter confirms this. Number 2 is that Hillary taking a position on the Iran deal is a critical issue. The Republicans' outreach to Hillary confirms this. Sometimes it just takes people longer to see what I see quite quickly; this is one of those times.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...73d354-c68a-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html


    In an interview with Fox News Channel on Monday morning, Cotton, an Iraq war veteran, said that he put the letter together because “many Iran experts say that Iran’s leaders don’t understand our Constitution,” and he wanted to make clear that any lasting deal must win the approval of Congress.

    Cotton, who tweeted his letter at Iranian officials, encouraged Democrats, including presumptive presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton, to add their signatures.

    “We already have four senators on the letter who were thinking about running for president,” said Cotton, later adding, “I’ve spoken privately with other presidential candidates who might join us.”
     
  19. NewRoxFan

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    Apparently you, Senator Cotton, and the 46 other Republican Senators do not know that Congress does not ratify treaties... instead, the President has that authority.

    Source: the U.S. Senate: https://www.senate.gov/general/Features/Treaties_display.htm

    So, in a letter that Senator Cotton and GOP Senators attempted to educate the Iranian government on how the U.S. government works... they themselves showed their own ignorance of how the U.S. government works.

    So... how quickly did you see this?? :grin:
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    I dont understand your animosity towards Clinton. I have no doubt that she would turn over any incriminating documents if she had the only copy.
     

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